The presbyter and theologian Hans Küng died. This chasm ran between him and his age Joseph Ratzinger: Küng was gifted with genius, Ratzinger absolutely not!

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THE PRIEST AND THEOLOGIST HANS KÜNG IS DEAD. THIS ABYSS RUN BETWEEN HIM AND THE COETANEOUS JOSEPH RATZINGER: KÜNG WAS BRILLIANT, RATZINGER ABSOLUTELY NO!

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Hans Küng has always been a person of rare pleasantness, also naturally gifted with a physical appearance that made him look like an actor Hollywood, especially in the age group between fifty and sixty years, when natural beauty also combined the typical charm of mature men who have begun their journey towards old age in the best form. A beautiful figure therefore, masculine and charming, that had nothing to do with the figures of those priests and those theologians who in their physical appearance often appear as specks hovering between the androgynous, the asexual and the feminine.

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Ariel S. Levi Gualdo

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Hans Küng, priest and theologian (Sursee, 19 March 1928 - † Tubinga, 6 April 2021). Photo taken on the occasion of his 80th birthday

In journalistic jargon it is called “crocodile” the piece already written and placed in the drawer awaiting the death of the famous character. The archives of journalists are feet of crocodiles. Write a short piece, if anything, about a complex and controversial character, it is not easy. Having said this, I state that none of the Fathers de The island of Patmos had a ready crocodile for the Swiss-German presbyter and theologian Hans Küng.

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I have often made references to Hans Küng, recently also in a book of mine dedicated to two famous heretics of very small size: Kiko Argüello and Carmen Hernandez, the initiators of the Neocatechumenal Way, a veritable concentrate of returning heresies. All with a formal and substantial difference: heretics have always been superior and very brilliant minds, just think of an Arius or a Pelagius. Contrary to the two bohemians Spaniards who made even heresy expire, always the prerogative of the most sublime minds. And right in this book of mine called The sect Neocatechumenal. Heresy became Kiko and dwelt among us, I go back to using this famous theologian as a paradigm.

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Giving a heretic to those who fall and remain in substantial and formal heresy it is not an insult, but a simple factual observation linked to the sphere of the doctrine of the faith. Or better understood: I know full-blown heretics who on the human level are people of rare amiability; and the same, on the ethical and moral level, they are people of impeccable conduct. Instead, I know just as many people, endowed with the purest and most orthodox doctrine, impeccable zealous theologians, with whom I try to avoid being in company for only ten minutes, so much do I consider them humanly unpleasant and sometimes even repellent.

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Over the years, disserting on various theological themes I have frequently pointed out the Reverend Professor Hans Küng as a dangerous heretic, accusing him on several occasions of having carried out works of devastating demolition through the methodical de-structuring of some of the fundamental dogmas of Catholic faith;.

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I have perhaps never stated and written that Hans Küng was a bad guy, a bad person or a mediocre unpleasant subject? Of course not! Hans Küng has always been a person of rare pleasantness, also naturally gifted with a physical appearance that made him look like an actor Hollywood, especially in the age group between fifty and sixty years, when natural beauty also combined the typical charm of mature men who have begun their journey towards old age in the best form. A beautiful figure therefore, masculine and charming, that had nothing to do with the figures of those priests and those theologians who in their physical appearance often appear as specks hovering between the androgynous, the asexual and the feminine.

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Hans Küng was a true rising star of theology, with natural intellectual and speculative gifts and oratory and communicative qualities that other theologians did not have, among these his distinguished contemporary Joseph Ratzinger. Both were perished in the assembly of the Second Vatican Council between 1962 and 1965, both in their early thirties, but with this difference: when Josef Ratzinger spoke, the listeners said to each other "this is a very good theologian", when instead Hans Küng spoke, listeners, in being deeply fascinated by his figure, from his oratory and his profound competence, they said to each other "this will reach who knows what levels in a few years".

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The result of both is universally known: Hans Küng has become a speaker of heresies, Joseph Ratzinger became Metropolitan Archbishop of München, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and later 265th successor of the Blessed Apostle Peter.

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That I am on the ecclesial and doctrinal side of Joseph Ratzinger and not by Hans Küng, it cannot in any way induce me, for emotional irrational affection, to deny the evidence of the facts: Hans Küng, intellectually and speculatively he had natural qualities greater than those of Joseph Ratzinger very high. If in fact the first was by nature a genius, the second was an intelligent person gifted for theological studies. And the difference between a genius and an intelligent and gifted subject is truly remarkable. And then, with the passage of time, it happened that the first became a dangerous heretic and the second Supreme Pontiff [excerpt from from the cited work, the. 43-44, I ed. Rome 2019, Editions The island of Patmos].

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I danni che Hans Küng produced were remarkable, starting from a brilliant intelligence with all the higher abilities connected to it, used to damage the Church and the theological world. This is why the priests, those who still believe in God's judgment, to eternal life, to Paradise, in Hell and Purgatory - which is not at all obvious these days - they would do well to offer Holy Masses of suffrage for the soul of this brother of ours, who will surely need it very much.

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73 thoughts on "The presbyter and theologian Hans Küng died. This chasm ran between him and his age Joseph Ratzinger: Küng was gifted with genius, Ratzinger absolutely not!

  1. Thank You Father. I heard this sad news on TV. In truth, I didn't remember where I had heard this name before, Hans Küng, but with this article she reminded me that I had read it in one of her books that I first bought Father. Honor and credit for your frankness for having spoken of it here in the way that Küng deserves, without rhetoric. Thanks. We are still in the octave of Easter and therefore I wish to wish you and all the religious of the island of Patmos” joined the editorial staff, a Happy and Holy Easter🙏

  2. The use he made of the genius and charm he gave him could lead him to savor that Hell that he has snubbed so much for himself and minimized for the faithful. God, as well as perfect mercy, it is also perfect Justice. But we also pray for these rebellious souls, especially if they are priests, come on.

  3. Mah.. all this hatred (not from his father, but by certain commentators) verse If… as if it were customary to find a Kung book on Signora Maria da Roccacanuccia's shelf.
    But please!

    Type A subjects are much more dangerous. Minutella or the aforementioned founders of the Neocatechumenal path. The latter break through “populace”. They attract to themselves, with underhanded methods, simple and often naive people, to fill them with their nonsense. H. Kung, or you studied theology, or in any case you have good intellectual skills to be able to understand it, or it is impossible to fully understand his thinking. 10/100/1000 times Hans Kung rather than 1 Minutella.

    And then, with this thing of hell.. neither he nor Von Balthasar have ever claimed (as far as I know) that hell is empty or that it does not exist. They just wished it was empty. Hoping that hell is empty, it seems to me just a beautiful hope, symptom of goodness of heart, unlike all that army of rancorous traditionalists who would like to see half of humanity fall into the burning flames of hell perhaps for the mere fact of having committed impure solitary acts. Come on.

    1. I'm not that old, but I remember that until a few years ago it was not uncommon to find Kung books in the book sections of supermarkets… I don't know if anyone bought them, however it was indicative.

      Apart from this, there are good reasons to be angry with him, first of all all the interviews on Repubblica in which he shot zero on faith and morals, undermining the faith of the simple.

      Furthermore, many clerics have been trained on him, who then disseminated his heresies among the faithful.

      Otherwise Kung did not believe in eternal hell, as can easily be verified with a prodigious technological tool known as “search engine” https://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2013/11_12/2013_12_16_Grill_ControversialTheologian.htm

    2. I do not agree. Even Signora Maria da Roccacanuccia was able to appreciate Hans Kung's theories, for example when he spoke from the pulpit of Che Tempo che Fa, where is that, led by the insipid conductor, he could also educate the ox people about the responsibilities of the reigning pontiff Benedict XVI for the sexual scandals in the Church. Without contradictory, it goes without saying. The world does not fall apart by accident; pity for Mrs. Maria.

      1. For inverse, my friend Giuliano Ferrara, during an interview on his program 8 and Mezzo made it black, I don't remember the exact date, however it was the autumn of 2007 or of 2008.

        1. The difference between Fazio and Ferrara is only in the role attributed to them by the masters of the speech: the good cop and the bad cop. But both are the fly paper with which to catch flies of all colors. In particular, Ferrara has the mission (and the money) to attract the so-called Catholic right (Italian) in the area of ​​influence of international Zionism e, notably, to orient it politically to support Israel’s war initiatives in the Middle East. Personally it has always impressed me, as a professed atheist as he declares himself, his knowledge of the Catholic faith e, in part, its theological culture. I guess he is an educated and pleasant person to hang out with, but… God look at me from friends, I take care of my enemies.

  4. Certainly Hans Kung was a man of extraordinary intelligence and had unparalleled intellectual skills, but this is not enough to not lose the Faith. Having been born in 1960, I remember when, towards the mid-1980s, Hans Urs von Balthasar (in an interview with Vittorio Messori published in the newspaper “Future”) said (textual words): "Hans Kung is no longer a Christian". "It will mean no longer Catholic", Messori replied. Ma from Balthasar Ribadì: «He is no longer Christian!», explaining that Christ, per Kung, he was nothing but a prophet like the others. I should have kept that copy of “Future”, on these days it would have been useful to reread those words.

    1. Dear Mino,

      I don't have that copy of Avvenire either, but it does not matter. If my testimony can help you, I can give you two different confirmations.

      First, what you report of Vittorio Messori about that interview is a fact that corresponds to pure truth, I had the opportunity to exchange views years ago with the person concerned in this regard.

      Second, the Venerable Father Divo Barsotti, who was very attached to Hans Urs von Balthasar in the last periods of his life before the death of this great Swiss theologian, in a private interview that took place at Casa San Sergio, in Settignano di Firenze, way back in 2002, precisely speaking of the theologians who were no longer, not so much non-Catholics, but just not Christians, he pointed to me as Hans Kung paradigm, of which I first brought to light his profound and undoubtedly extraordinary intellectual and speculative gifts.

      This is what I can confirm by direct knowledge.

      1. He certainly gave many of our readers a gift by sending this link.
        Thank you very much!

    1. Mr. Fabio Thanks for the Link. Excellent article by “Catholic information”. CIT. “…the postulate of the most extreme modernism, that is, the Truth remains but is adapted to the times in which we live. depending on your life circumstances, of cultures.” Well, they are right, unfortunately, the line followed by the Catholic Church today is precisely this. Laudetur Iesus Cristus e Ave Maria a tutti i presente 🙏

    1. He should ask those of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, or to the members of the International Theological Commission, they are able to answer you

  5. Apart from Can. 1404, I doubt that the mediocre ones bite the hand of those who feed them: that's why I asked the question here!

  6. Another one told me the same about the two “heretic”, respectable person, intelligent theologian (not, however, in the choice of archbishops) and delightful guest in the most beautiful palace in Catania.
    E.S.

  7. Reverend Don Ariel, I do not understand the connection between Hans Kung and the Neocatechumenal Way and what would be the return heresies of this ecclesial reality?Return heresies then in what sense?He even bothered Arius, Pelagius, I find it an exaggeration. Ario argued that the nature of the son ,was inferior to that of the father, denied the divine nature of Christ, Pelagius, on the other hand, claimed the uselessness of grace, he affirmed that human will was enough to save himself, where he sees the connection with the Neocatechumenal Way?He is not the first to blame the Way, but such accusations are new I had never heard of them. Even approaching the Way to Hans Kung seems to me rather unlikely as a thing., but honestly it seems to me quite clumsy as an attempt.

    1. … I think it is she who, before bothering to write these comments, which are neither in heaven nor on earth, should get my book, that are 290 pages, read it and then criticize it on the merits, dismantling piece by piece what I don't support so much, but which I demonstrate with impeccable documentation.
      Otherwise, she starts to speak, criticizing and making judgments on something he does not know but above all on a work of which he totally ignores the contents.
      And all this, by chance it also seems serious?

      1. Dear Don Ariel, I'm commenting on what she wrote, I don't invent anything. He called into question the initiators of the Neocatechumenal Way, in an article about Hans Kung, the connection escapes me , I would be grateful if you would clarify it. She accused them of being Aryans and Pelagians, somewhat bizarre allegations ,which are not reflected in any official Church document. He says he has documents?Please show them to us and since it is known that the Church has approved the Way and its catecheses, although she considers this approval only an administrative act, very questionable and fallacious claim, it remains true that the Church does not dispense “administrative acts” light-heartedly and without reason, if you want to be kind enough to make your book public, it's free, the Church and I will be grateful to you, whether it will be useful to shed light on some still perhaps obscure aspect. For my part, I'm not going to buy it, in these times of hardship and crisis, I prefer to allocate the sum to much more useful purposes. I hope this book is not your usual pamphlet or just its ruminations, I would be very disappointed. Thank you

        1. Dear Mrs,

          don't pretend to be nice and nice, because she is simply a brawler unable to even understand what she reads but which she assumes, however, to comment, this is not because he wants to understand at all – which doesn't interest her at all – but because he just wants to attack.

          With me that I know how to use words perhaps better than her, especially in terms of logic, of metaphysics and also of rhetoric, you cannot play by going to manipulate the texts and affirming

          “I'm commenting on what you wrote […] called into question the initiators of the Neucatechumenal Way "

          You have absolutely not read what I have written, she is trying to manipulate what I have written, showing precisely that he is not even able to comment on what is actually written in the article, namely the following:

          “I have often made references to Hans Küng, recently also in a book of mine dedicated to two famous heretics of very small size: Kiko Argüello and Carmen Hernandez, the initiators of the Neocatechumenal Way, a veritable concentrate of returning heresies. All with a formal and substantial difference: heretics have always been superior and very brilliant minds, just think of an Arius or a Pelagius. Contrary to the two bohemians Spaniards who made even heresy expire, always the prerogative of the most sublime minds. And precisely in this book of mine entitled The Neocatechumenal Sect. Heresy became Kiko and dwelt among us, I go back to using this famous theologian as a paradigm […]»

          And later I write:

          with the passage of time, it happened that the first became a dangerous heretic and the second Supreme Pontiff [excerpt from from the cited work, the. 43-44, I ed. Rome 2019, Editions The island of Patmos].

          What does this mean, complete with a quote to the work and reference to the pages shown? It means that I am quoting a passage from a book which contains my detailed analyzes, documentation and evidence. Therefore, if you do not read this detailed text which is articulated in 290 pages, will only be able to play the part of the poor naïve who is convinced that she is smart and catches everyone in the chest – having as neokatekika at least five or six extra gears as a very special gift of the Holy Spirit – he begins by stating

          «The connection escapes me, I would be grateful if you would clarify it "

          But I have clarified everything, well and thoroughly in a book, it is there that documents and evidence are collected, if you read it and stop asking specious questions that can lead you to doubt your own human intelligence.

          As for the invitation to make my book public and free, as she urges, the wonder, with a veil of merciful pain: to you Neocatechumenals, the tithes, they charge you for free? The pharaonic works that you have built around the world, including a hundred seminars, with such the work of a gratis you made them? Why see, a Neocatechumenal who talks about making something available for free or giving the fruit of hard work for free, it really equates to Ilona Staller who holds lectiones magistrales on chastity. What the latter that, without the pain of human ridicule, only followers of Kiko and Carmen can do.

        2. Dearest Sara. I always read with interest everything that is written here. I understand what you are saying and I am sure that Father Ariel will answer you again sooner or later. Me for the truth, and I want to tell everyone starting with Father Ariel, being the king of skeptics, in the past years and until now I have tried to understand by reading here and reading there, and in the past I have dated some friends of the “Renewal in the Spirit” apart from the Catholic Christians, and I also associated with the Evangelists and also with Jehovah's Witnesses. I have some of my relatives who have been part of the Neocatechumenal Movement for two or three decades. I'm almost old now, and I can say that if God exists, and I hope so, the fact remains that Faith is the most important thing and that no one has the truth in their pocket, everyone tells it in his own way… But I believe, that Jehovah's Witnesses are the ones who have documented the most and are smiling, and they would be killed but not disavowed, I believe they are also documented regarding the study of the Bible. In short, among all the bells I've heard, theirs seem to me to sound better. I don't remember Father Ariel what he thinks of them, I know it says that the Neocatechumens are a Cancer in the Church, I remember this well, but what he thinks of Jehovah's Witnesses I don't remember .. I am very curious despite my age, I have seen many lectures by Mauro Biglino, and even if I like it, it's not that Mauro convinced me of anything. It is clear to me that those who believe just believe it, regardless of what everyone would like to teach us.

  8. To the editorial staff of the Fathers of the Island of Patmos

    Several days ago, about the controversial theologian, of which I know something at the level of crosswords, I dared to ask what was heretic in rejecting “definitely the idea (established by the Council of Trent and confirmed by Paul VI), that Adam and Eve were actually human beings, and that all mankind began with Adam”

    With modest means, offered by my culture-passion on the subject, in a few lines I wanted to emphasize how the minds of the men who preceded us in high prestige, as well as being a subtly symbolic mind, as well as expressing fundamental religious insights (Julien Riers), he was also an extraordinarily technical mind (with the means of that time of course) as shown by the orodotte rock paintings and the exceptional number of musical instruments of these very distant eras (fluati a scala pentatonica) which are well before the indefensible biblical chronology. Such extraordinary abilities are also revealed in our cousin sapens, namely the neanderthal (but we could go to H.. erectus) that rightly should occupy the place of Michelangelo's Adam in the Sistine chapel
    Now I do not contest the moderator to quash unwanted interventions and therefore accept the decision to silence me, however, the theme incidentally posed by the theologian seems to me anything but secondary for the understanding of our time e, perhaps, Hans Kung's position on monogenism, no matter how comfortable it is, it should be seriously discussed beyond…

    1. Dear Antonio,

      she posted a comment split into three separate sent pieces that the editors are unable to stick together, also because some words are missing at the end of each comment.
      He should send them attached to us.

    2. Reviewing Don Ariel, I notice that he doesn't publish me and he gave me a particularly piqued and nervous answer and I don't understand why., so I don't understand his attitude. I seem to have asked some simple questions, if he does not want to answer, he is free to do so, however, it seems to me a not very transparent behavior, which certainly does not help his credibility. He has the right to publish his books and to criticize the Way, I hope, however, that he wants to give us the same right to criticize and express our disagreement with respect to what he expresses., I'm not sure the “Gospel”, they are, in all probability, the expression of his personal opinion, respectable as you like, but still an opinion on many, it is certainly not the absolute, nor is she the holder of the “truth”. He accuses the Way of heresy, has the right to do so, but he should prove what he says, with incontrovertible documents, otherwise what he says is not credible. If you have documents, show them otherwise it is useless to talk about it, if, as he says, they prove something, send them to the Cong. for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Church will be grateful to you. Otherwise I can only think that we are faced with the usual hoaxes or inferences, lies or even slander , or a low-grade artifice,to give visibility to their books. With his attitude he creates all the conditions and premises, not to buy his book and relegate it to those not to read. Happy Sunday.

      1. Stop repeating without replying, according to the classical and consolidated style of the Neocatechumenals, I know this style very well.
        If one answers you on the merits and nails you with precise statements and questions, you change the subject and attack the person to try to put him in a position to defend himself from your false accusations, so divert the conversation.
        with me, this game does not attack.
        Besides, she is also a liar when she claims:

        "I notice that I don't publish"

        Everything he sent has been published, so she lies.

        Also she states:

        "his books, I'm certainly not the "Gospel" ".

        Verissimo! But now answer: and what are the catecheses of Kiko and Carmen? I am not perhaps, For you, the breath of the Holy Spirit speaking through their mouths? Mi tip … mi tip … whoever speaks – and we can agree – is questionable and questionable, well. And when Kiko and Carmen, For years, in their catecheses, they stated, seriously heterodox affirmations were written and disseminated among mega-catechists, we can say that their catecheses «are certainly not the “Gospel”».

        Answer this question: answer, answer, answer! Don't change the subject by making other accusations: answer! The catecheses of Kiko and Carmen, I am the purest and most crystalline voice of the Holy Spirit, Yes or no?
        answer!

        1. An intelligent strategy to respond to the Neocatechumenals could be to point out that idiocy and ignorance are not prohibited by the Statute – Church-approved! – and therefore anyone who denies that the Way is idiotic and based on false theological presuppositions, liturgical and historical, he is a heretic and disputes the ecclesiastical authority.
          What is not expressly prohibited is approved. So they repeat like a mantra.
          And since idiocy is not prohibited, it is to be considered approved by the Church.

  9. Well I have to break them into three parts because they are not enough for me 1600 characters, this time I thought I had done well compared to the previous time, Maybe I lack an education to understand what to do
    In any case, the published summary is sufficient to make you understand the meaning of my saying.
    I take this opportunity to correct some typos (I see little and I insist on not operating)

    With modest means, offered by my culture-passion on the subject, in a few lines I wanted to emphasize how the minds of the men who preceded us in high prestige, as well as being a subtly symbolic mind, as well as expressing fundamental religious insights (Julien ries), he was also an extraordinarily technical mind (with the means of that time of course), as shown by the cave paintings they produced and the exceptional number of musical instruments from these very distant eras (pentatonic scale flutes) which are well before the indefensible biblical chronology. Such extraordinary abilities are also revealed in our cousin sapens, namely the neanderthal (but we could go to H.. erectus) that rightly should occupy the place of Michelangelo's Adam in the Sistine chapel …
    The theme is therefore this: because the official monogenism cannot be contested by Kung or anyone?
    NB Evolutionism is not called into question by me, since Neanderthal, Denisova and Sapiens sapiens crossed each other and therefore lived together

  10. Dear Don Ariel I am not the one who has to answer, she wrote the book, she nailed me?I didn't really notice, when he would?If you please explain to me what false accusations I would have made to you, I would be grateful?I said he doesn't publish me and it's true, he hasn't published everything I've written, he censored my intervention. She attributes to me statements that do not belong to me and repeats crudely ,the usual clichés, minced and worn out, demonstrating a great approximation and crudeness of method. Repeats the usual clichés, now proven wrong thousands of times and he does it because he doesn't know how to answer., but I certainly don't think what she reports, to tell the truth I have never met anyone on the Way who thought so nor say the nonsense he reported Do not try to raise smoke screens, moving the subject we are talking about her, not of the initiators of the Neocatechumenal Way. What would then be these heterodox catecheses that would be disseminated to catechists?By chance, he has news of some censorship or intervention by the Cong. For the Doctrine of the Faith or some condemnation of the Cathehesi of Kiko and the initiators of the Way?It does not appear to me, but if you have documents to this effect, publish them or else they are slander ,as I think, these are his speculations, I respect his personal points of view, which I respect but do not share. I hope he does not have the presumption and boldness to take the place of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith..

    1. He realizes that she evades any answer on the merits, change the subject and raise other issues?
      And in doing so, she also feels shrewd and endowed with particular pneumatological inspirations, this is the tragic element that characterizes her and those like her.

      Ask any psychiatrist what his way of acting is called, which first of all denotes a predisposition to alter even the most evident and obvious elements of reality, through incessant attempts to manipulate real data and divert from specific questions that have been asked with impeccable clarity.

      And’ all contained here, in chronological order, just read what he wrote, what I answered and asked for, therefore, as he has always and in practice, he replied by denying an answer, changing the subject and raising quite other issues.

      You argue for the blind taste of arguing, and then, when it is answered by dismantling what it claims is false, at that point she replies by not answering the precise questions that have been put to her, changing the subject and raising other issues. And if someone points out that she didn't answer and that she changed the subject, she returns to the attack by not responding and changing the subject for the umpteenth time.

      Lady, I tell him with the broken heart of the shepherd the care of souls: you are truly a deeply and seriously disturbed person on a psychological level who, as such, needs a good spiritual director with regard to the spiritual sphere and a good psychologist with regard to his psycho-behavioral aspect in need of care and support..

  11. Father Ariel certainly does not need support from anyone, least of all from a tepid Catholic like me. However reading the constant attacks that are directed at him, especially by neocatechumenals, I also allow myself to testify.

    By attending, for various reasons, always on tiptoe but with attention, the churches, I have met truly holy priests, so many ordinary people with incredible life stories who could write books. But also a worrying number of hyper-active insane asylums in seven, congreghe, tribe and factions, all united by an unstoppable divisive competition. The latter then seem to be the real masters of the scene: in the so-called. advice, in volunteering, in economic affairs, in the newspapers, in Caritas etc.. Perhaps it is an ancient evil from which we cannot free ourselves, but the result is a fragmented church full of confusion and conflict. It almost seems that there are various species and subspecies of Catholic. It does not seem to me that Christ's teaching went in that direction.

  12. Excuse Don Ariel, but she jokes or speaks seriously?He writes a book in which he accuses the initiators of the Way , to be heretics, he stated that the Way is a Jewish Protestant sect, he also claims to have evidence that Kiko and Carmen are Pelagians and Aryans, I asked her for proof of what she says , not only did not answer ,but it is also attacking and offending, then I would be the one to need a psychiatrist?But how do you think?I didn't write the book myself, she wrote it, I repeat, it is she who has the duty to prove her claims, not I. I don't have to answer anything , except that I also replied, while she has not answered anything and tries to digress. It has no arguments and therefore offends, attacks, really showing a poor intellectual level. I repeat the question I hope he will answer me: You argue that the Way is a Jewish Protestant sect, this is his personal opinion or is it a statement based on objective criteria or on some magisterial document ?Can you show us some condemnation of the CDF or other Roman Congregation, confirming his allegations?For my part I refer to S.G.P.II who defines the Way:Catholic formation itinerary… Two other Popes encouraged the Way and considered it positively, the Statutes are approved by the Holy See and the Catechetical Directory too.Everyone is free to say and think what he wants, but for me what the Church and the Pope establish is important, the rest is chatter in the wind that doesn't make any sense.

    1. “I asked you for proof of what you say, not only did not answer, but it is also attacking and offending "

      Lady,

      she is truly troublesome beyond the limits of human decency. Or as his say: but she “There is” or “makes us”?
      I wrote a detailed book and you – with the spirit of stalker professional – continues to write that he wants proof?
      He complained about the proof?
      And where should I get them, here in a discussion forum with four words?
      Mi tip: why do you think I would write a book? He does not think that he wrote it precisely to collect and provide the evidence articulated in 290 pages?

      Be kind, stop with this pantomime, it is not ridiculous and above all it is not harassing up to these levels. She is in fact ridiculing herself and demonstrating in practice how certain sectarians attack a fight, they do not answer and change the subject to every reasonable question that is put to them.

      1. Don Ariel, sorry if I allow myself, but perhaps the only solution to get out of this impasse and put your book on sale at a discount of 50% 😂😂😂 Excuse me…
        🙏🙏🙏

        1. It is not possible.
          And then who pays them, printing and distribution costs?
          The 60% of the cover price is absorbed by expenses.

          1. Father, mine just wanted to be a joke, perhaps unhappy, but in the meantime, with Mrs. Sara, I see no other way out😁 … 🙏🙏🙏

  13. Dear Roberto but what attacks?I'm just asking questions about his book, but unfortunately Don Ariel doesn't answer., if that means attacking him it seems really ridiculous. No doubts can be expressed about his statements because he feels attacked?Believe me nobody wants to attack him, we just want to understand where he wants to go and what he says.I want to hope that his criticisms are motivated by good faith and not by other interests.

  14. Dear Mrs. Sara, seeks evidence of heresy and abuse? Here they are.
    He wants to show us why at one of the last steps of the so-called Way we should proclaim ourselves children of the devil?
    He wants to illustrate why Mr. Arguello dared to boast that the Holy Spirit appeared to him in the form of a dove?
    He wants to show us why Mr. Arguello dared to call himself an exorcist?
    He wants to illustrate why Mr. Arguello dared to claim that he always spoke by divine inspiration?
    Listen to the minutes yourself 7,52 and 15,40 which: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl1vv1dEiiU
    It is not enough?
    He wants to show us why Mr. Arguello dared to proclaim himself “angelo, sent”?
    He wants to illustrate why Mr. Arguello dared to overturn the text of Heb 2,14 to say that man is a slave of the devil?
    Listen to the minutes yourself 24,48 and 27,16 which: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz_6XYDI0AI

    Because the priests who don't want you call them pharaohs? They are consecrated, they studied and despised them.
    To your ignorant catechists, on the other hand, give absolute obedience by attributing to them “discernment” and permanent inspiration.
    Why Is That?

    And forget the story of “we approved”, you are the first to disobey your statute.
    If the Church has patience and does not intervene harshly, it is for the little ones, to recover them avoiding schisms, as Signor Arguello threatened.
    You are all the same, broken records that play the same music, unable to argue and aggressive towards those who contest you. Typical followers of a sect. Pathetic.

    1. Exceptional Mr. * Apostata” even if I don't think she is “Vile”😁 Thanks for the links, I save them, you never know🙏🙏🙏

  15. Reverend Don Ariel, I realize that I am annoying, but I understand it, asking direct and clear questions is unpleasant, but she is the cause of this attitude of mine because she continues not to answer. She wrote a book by 290 pages, I am not stupid to think that you are reporting it entirely on the blog, but as I am convinced that it is a hoax, please convince me otherwise , before you buy it. If the evidence is clear , it shouldn't be that difficult to mention them briefly, so that you can verify them. Put yourself in my shoes, she would buy a pig in a poke, without verifying its veracity?It would make a careless purchase?I ask you the courtesy to mention these “prove” who claims to possess which would prove that Kiko and Carmen are Aryans and returning Pelagians., without any foundation. At the same time it should also say, clearly, that the book represents only his thought, not that of the Church, that you do not agree that the Catholic Church supports the Way, just as he does not share the attitude of the last three Popes who approved it, encouraged, With this I do not mean that you must necessarily like the Neocatcumenal Way, nor that it is a dogma of faith, nor do I want to deny you the right to criticize him, but it should say clearly and for intellectual honesty, which expresses only a personal evaluation.You have the right to criticize but others also have the same right.I will not buy and I will invite you not to…


    1. “You wrote a book of 290 pages, I am not stupid to think that you are reporting it entirely on the blog, but as I am convinced that it is a hoax, please convince me otherwise "

      She refuses to read a book, that in spite of attacking without knowing, basically asking me to write another one to convince her that the book she didn't read is not a hoax?
      Sara, she is amazing!

      “Put yourself in my shoes, she would buy a pig in a poke, without verifying its veracity?»

      Put yourself in the shoes of a cancer patient: she would do the chemotherapy in a poke without being able to verify first that all the cancer cells will be destroyed? And after being hit by a heart attack, he would go to the operating room to have his heart operated, so, closed box, without having any guarantee that everything will be fine and that he will return to health as before and more than before?

      Now, my sweet Sara, I understand that she, perhaps, he has hardly heard of Aristotle, but really think about continuing with these hilarious games at turn around and turn the omelette around with one who was trained on the principles of Aristotelian logic?

      I repeat, don't be ridiculous. And if anything, answer all the questions raised by the reader who signs the Apostate.

      «By this I do not mean that you must necessarily like the Neocatcumenal Way, nor that it is a dogma of faith, nor do I want to deny you the right to criticize him, but it should say clearly and for intellectual honesty, which expresses only a personal evaluation "

      There have been families who dared to breathe a shy sigh on the mega-catechists and, is never, his Kiko and Carmen, they have been literally destroyed on a human and psychological level.

      Hypocritical liar!

      There have been grandparents who did not go to the baptism of their grandchildren because their children baptized them in the parish, refusing to baptize them on Easter night according to the “Rito kikiano”.

      Hypocritical liar!

      There have been bishops – alive, sani, vegeti and able to confirm everything – who had to protect former seminarians of Kikian seminaries from the worst slander mother of The Redeemer, released from them and admitted to diocesan seminaries, upon which lies and shameless infamies have been spread.

      Hypocritical liar!

      E tu, you dare to write that criticism is a right? And since, in the Neocatechumenal Way, one can also criticize the directive given by the last of the mega-catechists?

      Hypocritical liar!

  16. Dear Don Ariel, I refuse to read your book, because it does not give me guarantees of authenticity, because it represents only his personal and subjective opinion, that I don't care, because it lacks objectivity, and she is biased, and with her attitude she feeds my doubts and suspicions’ unclear and this strengthens my doubts. What do you know if I know Aristotle or not and anyway, what does it mean?If you know Aristoltele you can answer my questions, instead he still doesn't do it and I think I understand why, I probably caught her in chestnut and she doesn't know which way to turn. She reports the events that would have occurred in the Neocatechumenal communities, I use the conditional because you should check them , and I don't believe in anyone blindly, but even if they were real facts , I don't see what they would prove? If anything, human limits, but I ask her: You know someone perfect in the Church?She is perfect, never wrong?These supposed errors authorize her to condemn the Way as an Arian or Pelagian heretic?If we put it on this level then we should condemn the Church, without appeal, beheading the clergy, as in the French Revolution and the Revolution of the Soviets, for all the scandals it has given, for the many cases of pedophilia, abuse and other kinds. I don't know her but I don't think like that and it doesn't seem like a serious way of thinking. If that's his method, I think he is very wrong, because it means shooting in the heap. The history of the Church is full of human excesses and errors, but we cannot condemn it for this. But let's be serious !

    1. 'I refuse to read your book, because it does not give me guarantees of authenticity, because it represents only his personal and subjective opinion, that I don't care, because it lacks objectivity, foundation and is biased "

      Hers is a lapidary judgment without appeal given to something she does not know and which she herself declares she does not know, of not wanting to examine and absolutely not wanting to read, but who despite all this he judges mercilessly.

      Luckily a person like you has no chance of winning a competition in the judiciary. In fact, you would be able to inflict a life sentence on a person based on his or her pure moods, without even reading the court papers, declaring to all the other members of the assize court that they do not need to read the papers, to examine the evidence and all procedural documents to give a severe sentence of conviction.

      Also know that there is something far worse than shooting aberrant concepts, that of not even realizing that they are decidedly and totally aberrant. These are "the indubitable good fruits of the Neocatechumenal Way", she is proof of that.

  17. Dispassionate advice for Father Ariel: Write a three-page book (line spacing 2,5) that collects all the orthodox statements of Kiko and Carmen since 1968 to date and sell it at the modest price of € 0,50 so as to overcome the problem. In this way the Neocatechumenals would have the satisfaction of understanding his accusations and avoid the vulgar inconvenience of stealing money from the sacred tithe.. For the cover, I recommend any work by Lucio Fontana: it would save on toner and would have an image that accurately represents, the theological depth of the Neocatechumenate is precise and emblematic. Two birds with one stone! I know, I'm a genius.

  18. If the premises are what I read on this blog, let alone the book, on the nose I would say that I have guessed right, no thanks I prefer to live, as a spot from the past said. I will not buy the book and I will urge not to buy it, I much prefer Sacred Scripture, the catechism of the Catholic Church, the magisterial documents, or some good books on spirituality. I leave this kind of books to lovers of the genre. There is no need to bother the judiciary, some things even a child would understand. Don't talk about aberrant concepts, evidently she does not realize what she is writing, believe me you can't afford it, good for you that you don't read your book, I would be tempted to answer and believe me, I would be able to, I'm not stupid, as she seems to believe. She truly believes that she would not be able to refute the nonsense she wrote?He is very wrong!He thinks he's a know-it-all, but believe me, it is not at all and I maintain a polite and respectful language while respecting the dress she wears, but poor Church, she wants to judge the fruits of the Way?And’ sure that the fruits of his ministry are better?I hope so for her, but from how he writes I have serious doubts. I repeat, poor Church we are in really bad shape!

    1. «I much prefer Sacred Scripture, the catechism of the Catholic Church, the magisterial documents, or some good books on spirituality "

      Very good!
      Then start reading this document, is called Sacramentum, in it everything that the Neocatechumenals do in their liturgies is categorically prohibited, and the whole is photographed, filmed and therefore documented without penalty of denial.
      If you dare to say that it is not true that for decades the kiki have done exactly everything that this document prohibits., I will start posting the videos of the “messe kike”. And having done this she will say that they are false documents, that it is just photomontages. Because the fanatic sectarian does not think, shoot in bursts, the series … ‘Ndo coijo cojio!

  19. Dear Mrs. Sara, she stated: “… I don't believe in anyone blindly.”
    Well.
    He said it to Mr. Arguello every time he claimed to have seen the Madonna, changing version several times?
    He said this to Mr. Arguello every time he ruled that everything he and his catechists say, even if wrong, magically it is understood correctly by the listener through the intervention of the Holy Spirit?
    He told Mr. Arguello this every time he boasted that he and his catechists are permanently inspired?
    He said this to Mr. Arguello who for years denied the existence of the catechetical texts boasting the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, then forced to submit them, he refused the corrections.?
    He told Mr. Arguello who after approval first said that it was the Pope's will that they be published, then that the publication was a catastrophe, and then he secreted everything.?
    He told Mr. Arguello that the directory is the only non-consultable text of the whole Church? If it conforms to the Catechism, why hide it? If it's such a wonder why not spread it?
    He said this to the Dear Extinct S. Carmen (should read Sora Carmen) when she had the courage to write that Our Lady had appealed to her “blessed are you among women” commissioning her to reform the Church?
    He told his catechists that in all your celebrations you violated the missal and statute? He asked them why the Liturkikia is untouchable and the Missal can be twisted at will?
    answer, Thanks.

    1. Dear Apostate, what should I tell Kiko?It is not important whether he saw the Madonna or not, the Catholic faith, nor mine, are based on this. What matters is that the Church has approved the charism, the rest is secondary and only counts for whom , as she,he wants to argue in a mean way. These are nonsense to which it is not worth answering and which leaves the time they find: It is wrong to say that in our celebrations we violate the Missal and the Statute because it is a falsehood. Already anticipating his answers, now boringly known, I invite you to forget about Arinze's letter because it is outdated by the subsequent approval of the Statute., tried a thousand times and never accepted, with great perviciacia and dullness; the Statute in fact has more value, from the canonical point of view, and it is not to say that Arinze's letter is mentioned at the bottom as a note, therefore we should apply it. The footnotes of the Statute, they don't just remember Arinze's letter, but they also remember the Epistle Whenever a(the 36) and there is also a reference to the laudatory note of Msgr. Bugnini del 1974 and also of the notification of the Cong. for Divine Worship of 1988 who approved the celebrations of the Way, nor does it mean that Arinze's letter cancels the pre-existing one because then this also applies to the Statute.’ it is clear that the Statute overcomes all these interventions, therefore it is childish to insist on Arinze's letter, now an ectoplasm. The rest is nonsense, childish and stupid to send back to the sender.

      1. This is Benedict XVI, that precisely on the occasion of the administrative recognition by the Pontifical Council for the Laity, he does not fail to give the Noecatechumenals a memorable brushstroke:

        «The celebration in small communities, regulated by the liturgical books, which should be followed faithfully, and with the peculiarity approved the Statutes of the Way, It has the task of helping those who are undergoing the Neocatechumenal itinerary to perceive the grace of being inserted in the saving mystery of Christ, which it makes possible a Christian witness also able to take on the traits of radicalism. At the same time, the progressive maturation in the faith of the individual and of the small community must favor their insertion into the
        life of the great ecclesial community, that is in the liturgical celebration of the parish, in which and for which it implements the Neocatechumenate (cf. Statutes, art. 6),
        its ordinary form. But even when the path is important not to separate themselves from the parish community, precisely in the celebration of the Eucharist which is the true place of unity of all, where the Lord embraces us in the various states of our spiritual maturity and unites us in the one bread that makes us one body "
        (see WHO)

        Benedict XVI, precisely in his speech made on the occasion of your administrative recognition, reminds you:

        1. you must submit to the authority of the Bishop;
        2. you must be docile towards the parish priests;
        3. you have to live a parish life;
        4. you do not have to celebrate Eucharistic celebrations separate from the parish community;
        5. your celebrations must be open to all;
        6. you must follow the liturgical books scrupulously without adding anything and without taking anything away from the Roman Missal;
        7. etc. … etc. …

        Well: propitiatory dances to the sound of bongos, ballets and trains, they also fall under the provisions of the General Instruction of the Roman Missal?
        You respect everything?
        Benedict XVI of the 20 January 2012 is to be considered outdated?

        Videos that he believes would violate people's privacy, in truth they showed how the Neocatechumenals and the priests hired and managed by the omnipotent mega-catechists as mere consecrators of hosts, they gave communion to the people seated as they passed the copponi of wine from hand to hand, not caring about all the provisions given by the Church.
        This, made you angry, your documented liturgical abuses along with the disobedience that is inherent in you, that you publicly deny and lie – as she shamelessly does – and then, closed the doors of your private rooms, in celebrations behind closed doors, do what you like.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyWiBBlMJ_I&t=6s

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rseOn_Ehm9U

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSXSqgoSk80

        etc. … etc. …

  20. Dear Don Ariel, I accept the invitation to read the Redemptionis Sacramentum, indeed I would say to read it together, but taking care not to exploit it’ epistle Whenever , by G.P.II, Pope himself, under which the RS was published. He refers to the celebrations of the communities:”They are the proclamation of the Gospel, witness in small communities and THE EUCHARISTIC CELEBRATION IN GROUPS (cf. Notification on the celebrations in the groups of the "Neocatechumenal Way" in L’Osservatore Romano, 24 December 1988)….”.He believes that S.G.P. II could write these words with a light heart?The truth is that the celebrations of the Way are according to the Roman Rite, approved by St. Paul VI, with very few adaptations this is amply proven, I could prove it even if I fear it would be useless. I do not make the whole list but what is done in the celebrations of the journey is contemplated by the Roman Missal and other liturgical norms, in addition to the concessions contained in Article 13 of the Statute. Publish these videos as well, what are you waiting for?If I can give you some advice as a friend, however, avoid violating privacy, by posting videos that involve people, without their permission, would incur a crime, as he did, some of his associates a few years ago. To make war on the Way, he thought it best to post a video of a celebration, without authorization, in which privacy was violated and even the faces of minors were seen, disabled. They hurried to take it off after we informed them that we would report them, please do not descend to such levels of baseness and cowardice, fit me…

  21. Sorry if I get in the way but evidently I had been too optimistic to think that putting the discount on 50% on Father Ariel's book The Neocatechumenal Sect the problem would be solved😁 …
    I, the Neocatechumenals I know, I see them, and I repeat, I see them like this
    then maybe I'm wrong, I see them as exalted and presumptuous and not at all endowed with a human spirit, not endowed with true humanity. In general, there are many in this world who have forgotten where true humanity lives, everyone always finds a way to justify themselves, I speak in general… and the religious are perhaps the worst, because with the excuse of “God told me, it is He who wrote the rules, it is he who made the laws” , they do what they want, interpreting at ease what is written in the Holy Scriptures which unfortunately lend themselves to different and multiple interpretations, and then everyone interprets as he wants 😁 Obviously not everyone finds this scapegoat. But it is a good excuse for anyone who professes any religion, it is a way of justifying oneself.
    This is my opinion.
    But most of the Neocatechumenals I know are like that, all smoke and no roast, human level, empathetic. Even traditional Catholics “classics” as it were, dear father Ariel I'm sorry, but it is not that I am so satisfied with them too and for the reasons already mentioned. The neocatechumenals then, they pass the mark.

  22. To Sara, or who for her.

    His pathetic verbal contortions to not respond to anything, like everyone else neocat they always do, they are old history, and they remind me so much of a very ignorant guy neocat hard and pure.

    Not to mention the antics of threatening lawsuits, you who must ask forgiveness from those who have hurt you. By the way, you told Our Lord that he was wrong on the cross? Instead of asking forgiveness from his tormentors, he told the Father to forgive them. Come May?

    And the idiocy according to which the statute would have modified the Roman Missal? This is also an old story. She does not know or pretends not to know that the Statute is just an act administrative and the Missal is prescriptive, that is, you can only do what it explicitly allows, everything else is forbidden. Obey him? not at all, the ridiculous manducatory pantomime would be enough all together passionately as Kiko commands.

    Unable to argue and answer, like all neocat who must circumcise reason. In this she proves that she has succeeded very well, to the delight of its catechists.

    Since she hasn't been able to answer anything, I ask you one last thing: because to defend the Way you have to resort to lies?

    Will give, kind Sara or whoever for her, go to Signor Arguello to be exorcised. Despite the logorrhea nothing says: she seems possessed by the mute devil so dear to catechists. As you well know, they pull it out every time an unfortunate person doesn't want to reveal his facts in front of everyone.

    Go get exorcised by Kiko, will give …

    1. Well he wants us to read it please, where it is written that the approval of the Statute is an administrative act?Please tell me where you got this information, from the code of canon law perhaps?If so in which article?And’ a certain information or as a suspect is one of the many nonsense said by Don Ariel?Please fill this gap of mine, because it is new to me. The Missal is prescriptive?Well then explain to me why the Pope and not only, they place the crucifix in the center of the altar, when it is not prescribed by the Missal?If I'm wrong, you find me , in the rubrics of the Missal ,the article that prescribes to put the crucifix in the center of the altar out of courtesy and when you have found it show it to me., you cannot hypocritically put two standards and measures, only for some things. In fact, the Roman Missal does not prescribe the cross at the center of the altar, but the Pope puts it anyway, because he understands that the rules are for man and not the other way around, paraphrasing the gospel and the signs are more important than the norms that are at the service of the people, not vice versa., two weights and two measures, legalists and rubricists for what you don't like, libertarians for what you like,?A hypocritical speech,false, double weight that does not hold The truth hurts my dear.

    2. was wicked?, if the Roman missal is prescriptive, it is for everything and yet Pope Benedict XVI placed the cross in the center of the altar, without it being prescribed, so does Pope Francis, yet the Roman Missal. If it is, please show me which article of the Roman missal contemplates it., some things are prescriptive and others are not?Or it is a rhyme that you have memorized and repeat like a mantra?But who do you want to mess with?So his speech is purely demagogic and demonstrates hypocrisy and bad faith. If we stick to what you say, the first not to respect the Missal is Pope Francis himself who places the corce at the center of the altar,not prescribed by the Missal, please don't be ridiculous. Liturgical norms are important but they are not everything, the most important thing about the Mass is not the liturgical norms, but what is celebrated is the grace that is received in the sacrament’ The conscious participation of the faithful is more important than legalism. I would be grateful if you would tell me where you got the information that the approval of the Statute would be an administrative act?Who is the source Don Ariel?Then we are our own place!Where did you get this information from?From the Code of Canon Law?Which article, he wants to point it out?What Church document says such a thing?Or it is the umpteenth idea of ​​Don Ariel?And only you can believe this nonsense, only you can buy the books, veri pamphlet, real ones “best sellers” .

  23. Unfortunately, it is impossible to argue with the Neocatechumenals, they want to win it, whatever document is put in front of their eyes, they always want to have the last word. I say this from personal experience. Before us on the table Statuto del Camino , documents of the speeches of Popes, Arinze's letter, Additional portion of the document out of the pimples and the sacrament of the Redemption,, all printed to read and compare in the end the answer was “All right, It does not mean anything. Be don …… it does it means that it is okay. I of him , who is a priest, I trust.”
    The only hope is that the Pope will clearly state how they should behave in all circumstances, including and especially for the Liturgy.

  24. Dear Don Ariel, I am pleased that you have read that speech by Pope BXVI °, however, it seems that some passages have escaped her, I remember. The Pope also said:”The Church has recognized in the Way a particular gift that the Holy Spirit has given to our times and the approval of the Statutes and the "Catechetical Directory" are a sign of this”.He read well?For BXVI the CN is not a heretical-Protestant sect, as you seem to believe, but a gift of the Holy Spirit, who is wrong of the two she or BXVI?The Pope reiterates that the Statute and Directory are approved by the Church, as you see it does not mention any “administrative act”, but it defines it “approval” of a new charism, also endowed with public juridical personality. Even on being docile to bishops and parish priests, it seems to repeat the usual clichés, commonplaces Even parish priests are called to be paternal with the faithful and not to suffocate the charism, do not rule over celebrations “separate” he messed up big, demonstrates that he does not know the Statute which in Article 13 states:” § 2. The neocatechumens celebrate Sunday Eucharist in the small community, after first Sunday vespers. This celebration takes place according to the dispositions of the diocesan bishop. The celebrations of the Eucharist of the Neocatechumenal communities on Saturday evening are part of the Sunday liturgical pastoral care of the parish and are also open to other faithful”.The Statute is clear for those who want to understand it does not need explanations. They are not separate masses but of the parish, he read well?Studies Don Ariel is unprepared, sees…

  25. Dear Don Ariel, thank you for having quoted that speech by BXVI , however, it seems that he has missed some important passages that I remember:”The Church has recognized in the Way a particular gift that the Holy Spirit has given to our times and the approval of the Statutes and the "Catechetical Directory" are a sign of this”.As you see for Pope BXVI the Way is a gift of the Holy Spirit, not therefore a heretical-Protestant sect?So his judgment is wrong or he thinks by chance that it was the Pope who was wrong?First of all, the celebrations of the communities are not separate, if it reads the Articles of Association art.13 it says the following. 13 comma 2 2. The neocatechumens celebrate Sunday Eucharist in the small community, after the first Sunday vespers. This celebration takes place according to the dispositions of the diocesan bishop. The celebrations of the Eucharist of the Neocatechumenal communities on Saturday evening ARE PART OF THE SUNDAY LITURGICAL PASTORAL OF THE PARISH and are also open to other faithful”.It seems clear enough to me, therefore you are wrong. The Way is obedient to the Bishops and also to the parish priests, however the shepherds must be paternal, do not rule over the entrusted flock, as St. Paul says, nor extinguish the charisms that arise in the Church. We must scrupulously follow the liturgical books, but don't be a slave to legalism, because the liturgy is for the sanctification of man, as the Sacrosantum Concilium states and as the Popes themselves do, in fact they place the cross in the center of the altar, not prescribed by the Missal. So study Don Ariel more, see what figures that…

    1. I see that the commission of mega-catechists who got to work behind Sara is not giving up: they do not answer on the merits, change the subject, they evade the questions in every way and then accuse the interlocutor of not answering.

      I have reported everything about Benedict XVI's speech, it would be enough that you, commission of writers, opened the link with the integral speech, which I have faithfully reported in full. Contrary to you, that from the speeches of John Paul II and Benedict XVI you always and only cut the phrase "grateful for the unquestionable good fruits". Then skipping everything else in which, both one and the other, for years they have addressed numerous reproaches. On which, however, you have always overlooked, in fact you have never really heard them.
      John Paul II and Benedict XVI called Kiko and Carmen together with all’useful idiot Father Mario Pezzi to reproach them? And they came out of the meeting saying: “They approved us … they approved us!»

      Affirming:

      We must strictly follow the liturgical books, but don't be a slave to legalism, because the liturgy is for the sanctification of man, Just read the sacred come la Council

      she proves that she does not even know the first three letters of the alphabet of the sacred liturgy, until to be attributed to the The Council what he never wrote.
      Her ignorance and that of the commission of writers that follows her and instigates her is in fact so crass as to even ignore the meaning of the word canon.

      It is useless to explain to you that the fee is so called precisely because it is fixed, rigid and unchangeable and than ever, born the Smost holy Council nor other documents have made it unstable and modifiable at will.

      I believe that the discussion can end here, why talk to those who don't answer, change the subject, it raises other questions and then accuses others of not responding, it's like talking about sexual continence with Mr. Rocco Siffredi. Inevitably, the speech, it will lead nowhere.

      And’ it was a pleasure, go with God and best regards.

  26. Dear Don Ariel, you know approximately the celebrations of the Way, and I begin to fear that he also knows little about the Roman Missal which does not at all prohibit the use of other instruments , even if it urges to privilege the organ, therefore guitar and bongo are also allowed, while preferring the organ as the most suitable instrument. There are no propitiatory dances or trains, maybe you are confused, or wants to joke and make fun of it but doing it about the Eucharist is out of place especially for a presbyter. I don't talk about dance in the liturgy, argument that has a historical foundation, I point out, however, that dance , in the celebrations of the Way,takes place after the celebration is over, therefore it is not a liturgical act, we don't dance during Mass, as you may think. You inform yourself, you seem uninformed and repeat the clichés of the blogs that I want to denigrate the path that stand out in terms of misinformation and fake mews. Then show that you have contempt for your brothers, defining them that way, this is certainly not nice on the part of a man wearing a cassock. She says they passed the cup to each other?It seems strange to me I've never seen anything like it, I have seen instead, before the definitive approval of the Statute ,that the presbyter or deacon or extraordinary minister of communion , he gave the chalice and the host to the seated faithful, but for this reason it was included in the oral permits granted by G.P.II as also Pope BXVI said in the 2005 in the audience on the Way:”After the period of experience that the Servant of God had granted, John Paul II ..” Find out better.

    1. I'm sorry, I do not take liturgy lessons from heretics who do not answer on the merits, change the subject, they evade the questions in every way and then accuse the interlocutor of not answering.

      1. Well if that's the case, neither will I accept orthodoxy lessons from her , no offense I say that I would never confess to her, nor would I rely on his spiritual direction. I will also be careful not to buy your book , if you hold it tight, strict, if it is for me it may well be on the shelves of the libraries to collect dust. I will invite my acquaintances to do the same and if they bought it, I will report on this conversation, I'm sure they'll get rid of it. We're already forced to put up with too many scoundrels, millantatori, vendors of smoke and sowers of tares, in daily life, in politics, economy and at all levels, to bear it even in the Church, no thanks, we gladly do without it’ umpteenth time is she or not having answered my simple questions and I am sure she will continue not to answer because she has nothing to answer, having written a heap of ridiculous and pathetic nonsense , to which only the unwary or those in bad faith ,looking for justifications for their choices , they can believe. That's his target, please ask them, with us it does not attack , forget it we will not bite on the contrary, we will laugh happily. The cialtronate, we leave it to your audience, we give up on these “masterpieces”that spurt poison, toxins, Division, contraposition. I will pray for you dear Don Ariel and I will offer the next Mass in which I will attend, begging for divine mercy..

        1. She is a serious case, as indeed are his associates, deprived of the most basic critical and analytical sense by your bosses.
          She never answered the questions I asked her, always changing the subject, trying to manipulate undeniable reality and then accusing me of not responding (!?)
          And’ all documented post after post, no one can say that things are otherwise, namely: I have always answered by replying to his questions, it is she who has never answered and has always changed the subject, evaded all questions and finally accused me of not answering.

          Having said that, I reply: it has little to ironize that she would never confess to me, because like all sectarians neokatekiki she is not really used to confessing to any truly Catholic priest, because you are obliged to accuse your sins in front of the mega-catechists, that flesh out and investigate your consciences as no Catholic priest who exercises the delicate ministry of confessor would allow himself to do with any penitent, especially with women and young people.
          Mega-catechists who are not bound by any inviolable secrecy, as we confessors are.
          And then, after the mega-catechist has turned you inside out like socks, go from priest for hire building of redemkiko seminars mater to get you acquitted.

          Now, for the umpteenth time, I would like to reply that it is not true, indeed it is false that the Italian bishops have repeatedly complained for years that "lay neocatechumenals invade the deepest spheres of conscience", therefore that it is only slander by those hostile bishops that your false prophet Kiko scornfully calls "modern pharaohs". Come on, say it's not true!

          For once, you try to answer a question instead of changing the subject and raising other questions without ever answering.
          And’ It is true that you are subjected to so-called scrutinies through which catechists investigate your consciences as never a priest confessor would allow himself to do?
          forward, say that it is not true and that all the bishops who have complained about this are liars.

          answer, answer, answer!

  27. To Sara, or who for her.

    Reading what he wrote, I'm sure the only time he didn't lie was when, at the last passage of the Our Father, he said “the devil is my father”, in obedience to Signor Arguello.

    True, she is the very daughter of the father of lies.

    Excuse me, I would suggest an interesting booklet anyway, it is called the Gospel, and find it online for free, unlike the Way where everything is paid.
    Try to read it, he will discover that Our Lord had words of understanding towards all sinners, save the hypocrites.

    If you rule, if you can.

  28. Father Ariel Caro, Cara Sara. It seems like the never ending story here😁
    And anyway even if it seems so, after all this writing it is not right that it ends like this 😁 Father cannot give up like this 😁 . Apart from this, I have to acknowledge Father Ariel, that having posted my comment, that of the day 21 April at 18:58 it shows that he is not afraid, no fear of publishing phrases that would not be published on other Catholic sites. Because I don't think I wrote praise to the regions in that comment 😁 So thank you.
    And in any case… I repeat, it can't end like this 😁

  29. Reverend Father ARIEL

    it can be said that the “sect “neocatechumenal as she defines it , it is one of the fruits of the Vatican Council 2 ?

    1. More than the Second Vatican Council, is one of the various fruits of that post-council that ended up giving life to a council that the Fathers of the Church have never celebrated and written. Indeed, behind the magic word “implementation of the spirit of the council”, everything has been done and more, in contradiction and in violation of the documents of the Second Vatican Council. The Neocatechumenals are one of the most striking fruits of an idea that is not simply misunderstood, but just aberrant of Vatican Council II.

    2. And why are you asking “father” Ariel when the Church has already answered about it?
      But you really believe that this ignoramus knows more about the Church?

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