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The meaning of the article does not change, but perhaps:
circumcision was done on the eighth day ... but not in the temple. (Luca 1,57-59 for John the Baptist and Luke 2,21 for Jesus).
At the Temple The mother showed up no earlier than 40 days after giving birth to a boy or 80 days for a female to perform the rite of her purification e, in the case of the firstborn, to consecrate him to God and redeem him (Leviticus 12,1-8) (Exodus 13,11-16) (Luca 2, 22-39).
The Holy Family, who did not live in Jerusalem, he went to the Holy City on the occasion of the circumcision of Jesus, that is, for the presentation in the Temple.
It must be borne in mind that at the ancient Temple there was a priest who performed the function of מוהל (mohel, circumciser). Obviously, ritual circumcision was certainly not practiced in the ַקֳּדָשִׁ הַקֳּדָשִׁים (Qodesh is-Qodashim, Latin equivalent of Holy of Holies). In an outer corner of the temple there was also a strip of land in which the foreskins of newborns were then buried. Some ancient authors even hypothesize that in the period before the destruction of the first Temple the foreskin was burned together with an animal offered as a sacrifice..
The ritual circumcision, at the time, it could happen anywhere, it was often practiced inside homes or even outdoors during party gatherings.
That Joseph and Mary went to Jerusalem at the temple on the occasion of the circumcision of the Divine Infant, it is attested by the Lucanian narration where two specific characters are indicated, Simeon the wise and just elder, almost certainly a member of the priestly caste, in addition to the presence of the prophetess Anna, daughter of Fanuèle, that "He never left the Temple".
All of which is narrated in the Gospel of the Blessed Evangelist Luke which you cited (LC 2, 21)
So Jesus may have been circumcised and then presented to the Temple, or, how it happened, having been circumcised in Jerusalem by the מוהל of the Temple.
I am very grateful to you for your valuable information.
Dearest father Ariel,
how could Mary have gone to the Temple on the eighth day if she was legally unclean for 40 days?
Dear Orenzo,
I don't seem to have said that Mary entered the Temple with Jesus 8 days after delivery, I spoke of the presentation "on the occasion of the circumcision of Jesus". Perhaps, instead of saying “on occasion” I should have said “after” the circumcision of Jesus, but saying “on occasion” I implied and I meant “after”.
Responding to Fabio G. who made a very pertinent comment, I took the opportunity to do some’ chronicle on circumcision and the places where it was practiced.
Nobody knows where Jesus was circumcised (place and location, to be understood) the Holy Gospels attest that he was circumcised and narrate his presentation in the Temple, where – as I said to the other kind commentator -, there was also a suitable space in which circumcisions were practiced.
After that, as the Holy Gospels narrate and as you rightly point out, Maria did the ritual purification, la cosiddetta mikveh (mikvah), which consisted of total immersion inside a tank, for three times, which had to be fed by running water and never by stale water, because in this case the rite would not have been carried out according to the prescriptions of the הלכה (Halakah, the normative law). This is still the case today in Jewish orthodoxy, where at each synagogue there is a suitable room for the ritual purification bath.
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Then the sentence “on the occasion of the circumcision of Jesus, that is, for the presentation in the Temple” he is somewhat unhappy, because Luke speaks of three distinct ceremonies and an offering:
– “When the eight days prescribed for circumcision had passed” (Genesis 17.12)
– “When the time came for their purification according to the Law of Moses” (Leviticus 12.1,4)
– “they took the child to Jerusalem to offer him to the Lord, as it is written in the Law of the Lord: every firstborn male will be sacred to the Lord;” (Exodus 13.12-13)
– “and to offer as a sacrifice a pair of turtle doves or young doves, as the Law of the Lord prescribes.” (Leviticus 17.8)
Finally, regarding the purification of Mary, the priest made it clean through the atoning sacrifice of one of the two turtle doves or doves, while the other was used for the holocaust (Leviticus 17.7-8)
OT: this assiduous reader never dreams of doubting that the Incarnation took place through the work of the Holy Spirit exclusively in “otherwise” of the Ever-Virgin Mary and without any external contribution.
Good morning Reverend Father and Holy Sunday
I have listened and read what you have written very carefully and until late at night. He has all my solidarity and understanding, I am a miserable sinner pious woman (and I really believe it!) but I thank the Lord Jesus every day who heals me from my profound infirmities through the Holy Eucharist! Now on these Social I stay there as little as possible (or at least I try), i have removed most of the apps on my device and i only have Telegram, that's why I insisted in my previous comment that these articles be published here.
Towards greater things and to the next appointment with his articles.
Reverend Father, good evening,
I love to accompany listening with the reading of his articles. I invite you once again to open a Telegram channel where perhaps you can also interact with us, your regular readers not only of the magazine but also of your books and also hold doctrine lessons., so important in times of profound ignorance such as the ones we are experiencing. I have a pc but many of us use mobile devices and this social network is proving to be a really precious treasure to be able to interact, through the creation of public and private channels, with many users provided for their identification however a telephone number. Thanks for that article, I confess, I have yet to finish listening-reading.
face simon,
your advice is very valuable and we intend to use this channel as soon as possible. We don't always succeed, Unfortunately, to do everything immediately as we would like, especially when we have books to prepare for printing, which require a lot of work, in addition to articles and our primary pastoral activity.
I guarantee you though, in the name of my Brothers and in my name, that as soon as possible we will open this channel.
With a sincere wish for all good and grace from the Lord.