The Minutella's flop story narrated by a bishop of Brazil. In the appendix an explanation by the Bishop of San Cristobal de las Casas on the fake news of the Pachamama venerated in the Vatican
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THE MINUTELLA’S FLOP STORY AS TOLD BY A BISHOP FROM BRAZIL. IN THE APPENDIX AN EXPLANATION BY THE BISHOP OF SAN CRISTOBAL DE LAS CASAS ON THE FAKE NEWS OF THE PACHAMAMA VENERATED IN THE VATICAN
Pachamama is not a deity or goddess, is an allegorical mythological figure, like those figures of which classical Greek and Latin literature is full, but in front of which certain characters do not seem to feel uncomfortable. Perhaps because mythologies and allegories of the ancient Greeks and Latins are culture, while mythologies and allegories of our peoples are the stuff of idolatrous pagan savages?»
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Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
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The author of this private letter that the person concerned has allowed me to make public in the times and forms indicated by him is a dear Brazilian brother of mine with whom I lived in Rome at the time of ecclesiastical studies.. Appointed years later auxiliary bishop, after other years he was promoted to a metropolitan archbishopric in Brazil.
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Dearest Father Ariel,
2019, archive photos: Pachamama in the Vatican Gardens
a te, and to the confreres who carry out the meritorious work The Island of Patmos, that many of us read by drawing information, food for thought and comfort: pace, thanks and blessings from God.
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The Bishops of this region of mine were informed of the presence of Mr.. Alessandro Maria Minutella, Italian presbyter excommunicated and discharged from the clerical state, in stay in our country. Having assessed the phenomenon, we deemed it not to issue any press release. I'll explain why: such a subject cannot have any hold on our faithful, especially in those who for various reasons declare themselves dissatisfied with our local Churches and with us their Bishops. Being you a cultured man, polyglot, who studies language and different cultures, you know that approaching the people of a country like ours implies knowing its history, traditions, customs and traditions.
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Remember when we lived in Rome in an international priestly house, how carefully we have tried to learn to deal with and have human and fraternal relationships with Chinese people, Koreans, Vietnamese and other brothers from totally different mental habits from what might have been ours, your Italian, mine of Brazilian? In greater Brazil there is no single culture that characterizes our people, this can happen in countries like France, Germany, England. With us there are many cultures held together on the great geographical territory of our nation made up of 26 States that form the Federal Republic of Brazil, with a common language that was given to us by the Portuguese, because until the end of the 16th century many dozen indigenous languages were spoken. This is to say that this colorful character presented himself as an extraterrestrial from another planet, unaware of the customs, of the traditions and psychological complexity of our populations, and therefore doomed to total failure. Aware of this, we Bishops could have given him with a communiqué the publicity that he would never have had?
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In the video documents you sent me and that I have listened carefully, this agitated Lord talks about things like "liberation theology" and "modernism". He obviously does not know that the majority of our faithful do not really know what liberation theology is. To find connoisseurs you have to go to theological studies and talk to experts. Then saying to a faithful Brazilian "modernism" or "modernist heresy" is equivalent to pronouncing an incomprehensible word. If this Lord wants to talk about modernism condemned by Pope Saint Pius X, he must go and discuss with our historians and our ecclesiologists, who are a few educated and experienced people. He cannot even talk about it with the priests of ordinary training, only with educated historians and theologians.
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After talking about unknown concepts such as "liberation theology" and "modernist heresy", this Lord made more references to Pachamama, ignoring the locals where he stayed (Ed. Sao Paulo of Brazil) they don't know Pachamama, which he confused with the Brazilian indigenous culture. If he had talked about the protagonist of Mission impossible o di Matrix, they would have understood it. But above all it is wrong and false to attribute to the indigenous peoples of our Amazon the "creation" and "cult" of Pachamama, because it is an ancient mythological figure of the Peruvian Inca, then spread among the various Andean populations. Pachamama is not a deity or goddess, is an allegorical mythological figure, like those figures of which classical Greek and Latin literature is full, but in front of which certain characters do not seem to feel uncomfortable. Perhaps because mythologies and allegories of the ancient Greeks and Latins are culture, while mythologies and allegories of our peoples are the stuff of idolatrous pagan savages? Christianity of the first centuries, perhaps it did not develop by inculturating and Christianizing many ancient uses, customs and symbols that originally belonged to the pagans? We don't have maybe, you and I, Holy Mass celebrated several times in Roman basilicas whose original structure was that of the ancient pagan temples?
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An Italian gentleman who arrives in our country and gathers 20 people is not a problem but something that does not exist. We are used to evangelical preachers, Pentecostals and various other sects whose gatherings they flock to 1.000 people when attendance is low. The famous ones gather 20.000/30.000 people and sending the preaching live on social where they are followed by 100.000/ 200.000 people.
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You told me that this Lord it will continue to Uruguay and Argentina. If this is his style he will have less following yet. For our people, a Lord who, as the videos document, comes to explain that the legitimate Pontiff has been invalidly elected, who, not speaking our national languages, uses non-professional translators who do not understand his confused concepts already difficult to understand in Italian, it will not be taken into consideration even by the simplest, let alone educated people!
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You know the great love I have for Italy and how proud I am to have studied in Rome, but I was unaware that there could be subjects like this Lord, I would have expected it elsewhere, not in your country, however, where the most educated and educated clergy in the whole world continue to exist.
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Yup, I allow you to make my letter public, but I ask you three things. First, do not put my name because unfortunately it would imply the involvement of my Diocese and this I cannot and must not do. Second, wait for this Lord to leave Brazil, then publish it as well. Third, correct my text, like when you revised my doctoral thesis many years ago, because if at that time I made mistakes in writing in Italian, which is not my mother tongue, now that I no longer speak Italian on a daily basis like when I was in Rome my writing has certainly deteriorated.
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A fraternal hug, you know that I am always waiting for you and that I am counting on your visit to Brazil. There are those who say that these are difficult moments for the Church, honestly I ask myself and I ask you too: when the Church has lived easy moments?
Pray for me!
Letter Signed
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Cardinal Felipe Arizmendi Esquivel, Bishop emeritus of San Cristobal de las Casas
How many wish understand how insubstantial they are fake news on the now famous e “notorious” Pachamama "venerated in the Vatican with idolatrous cults", careful reading of the article written by Cardinal Felipe Arizmendi Esquivel is recommended, Bishop emeritus of San Cristobal de las Casas, Published on L'Osservatore Romano in November of 2019.
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the Island of Patmos, 21 February 2022
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Marco Calzolari
Regarding the Pachamama, however, I have read the following.
“Rereading “The prophets of the Enlightenment” of the historian Vincenzo Ferrone (Laterza publisher, 2000,) I find out on the page 230 that in the eighteenth century the cult of the Pachamama (e in Pachacamac) it had been introduced into Neapolitan Freemasonry by Raimondo di Sangro, prince of Sansevero (1710-1771) the best known Italian esotericist, together with Cagliostro, of the eighteenth century, Grand Master and maximum representative of the Traditional Egyptian Rite, the most magical rite, occultist and mystery of Freemasonry.”
(Cit. from Martino Mora's post, but the goodness of the source was confirmed to me by a biblical friend).
Carrying this idol in procession in St. Peter's would therefore have very serious implications, far beyond a folkloristic re-enactment. Who is right at this point? The bishop of San Cristobal or the historian Ferrone? (N.B. Ferrone's book is from 2000). Then noting how in the procession of the Pachamama in San Pietro (October 2019) a global pandemic followed shortly after, further fears of preternatural involvement arise.
But on this issue I prefer to leave the floor to Father Ariel Levi Di Gualdo.
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Andrea Lui
I am especially pleased with the crystal clear details about Pachamama. However, I allow myself to consider the ceremonies that took place with the statue in question inappropriate precisely because they could be misunderstood outside certain contexts.. The comparison with the classical divinities holds. In the Renaissance there were honest faithful and excellent religious who were scandalized by the passion that the Roman curia showed towards the Greek-Roman myths. The decorations of the apostolic palace are out of context, certain theatrical representations dear to the reigning popes could seem not only a moral problem, but a real idolatrous yielding. And the Protestants skilfully played on it
Dear Mark,
I do not know the work of Prince di Sangro (duke of Fondi), family of which I only met the last heir, don Oderisio, whose only child born over 250 years later he became a priest and a monk. I wouldn't worry that much though, because Freemasonry is full of symbols and figures drawn from the Jewish-Christian culture, at the same time of symbols taken, more or less correctly, from the culture of the ancient Egyptians and so on. The Masonic esotericists, for instance, they misuse the Jewish Kabbalah as an esoteric element, to the point that today the mass identifies the cabal with "Jewish esotericism", whereas, the cabal, it is a mystical spiritual current, it is no coincidence that the word deriving from the root "cabal" and literally means "to receive", also translated as "tradition". By "receiving" we mean the oral teaching transmitted by the teacher. Still in the Orthodox Jewish tradition, Kabbalistic studies could and can only be started after the 40th birthday., because they require sufficient maturity and solid upstream training.
Esotericists also use the images of the Apocalypse of the Blessed Apostle John in an esoteric way, in an obviously improper way to say the least. It is certainly not the Cabal's fault for these arbitrary uses and abuses, of the Apocalypse and even of Pachamama. If certain ufologists claim that Jesus Christ was an alien who came down to earth, the fault is certainly not of the Apostles and of us Christians.
We can discuss the opportunity of the non-religious ceremony held in the Vatican with Pachamama and in this case I am the first to say that it was not appropriate., indeed it was an episode in my free and legitimate unfortunate opinion, like so many other events and episodes that took place under the long pontificate of the Holy Pontiff John Paul II, or like the statue of Martin Luther brought to the audience hall in 2017 and then placed in the Vatican Gardens, because at that point it could have been claimed that statues celebrating Arius were also placed there, Pelagius, Montano, Dolcino, Valdo and so on to follow all the most famous heretics in the history of Christianity.
This is not the problem, nor are the problem these facts, all of which are legitimately criticizable; the problem arises when certain discontented Catholics, emotional, moved by erroneous and irrational reasoning, they accuse the Supreme Pontiff of idolatry and of "having worshiped pagan divinities". These so-called Catholics are moved by practice and rigor by an abysmal ignorance, because they don't know, that is, precisely they ignore, than in many of our institutions, residences and places of worship there are frescoes and paintings from the Renaissance period that evoke the ancient Bacchanalia masked behind figures or scenes of Christian and religious life, likewise in the first epoch of certain artistic expressions of the Baroque, other than Pachamama!
Finally, I come to your speech about the fact that after the Pachamama episode in October of 2019 a pandemic has broken out. With holy irony I could answer that God really takes it out for very little, because in Italy, during the year 2019, according to the statistics of the Ministry of Health they have been practiced 68.000 abortions, in front of which I do not know that Vesuvius with all the volcanoes connected in the subsoil of the Phlegraean Fields exploded with the power of 100 atomic bombs devastating and destroying half of Italy. So, if the Covid pandemic was to be linked to the holy divine wrath for Pachamama, it would be fair to say that God really takes it for very little.
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Marco Diaf
Far be it from me to defend the former Sicilian priest (rather, I'm surprised you never write anything much more dangerous than even wearing a bishop's hat), but perhaps you did not see the ceremony in the Vatican gardens live that day. And then the processions in San Pietro.
What the Brazilian priest said will be true, but then, since it was Andean, that made us at the center of a Synod on the Amazon? How come the Amazonian natives present bowed in adoration? On that carpet there was not only the Pachamana, as we all know, but other things before which some friars also knelt that day, with the Pope present serious to watch.
Dear Mark,
now I show them, historically, that the rag of clothing on Pachamama does not stand. Here because … I wear the priestly stole as a liturgical vestment, which is the quintessential sign of the Catholic priesthood. You know where and from whom we acquired it? From the ancient Roman pagan cults, the stole was typical of the priestesses of the goddess Vesta and used in various other cults.
During certain celebrations we use the cope, for example during exhibitions and solemn processions with the Blessed Sacrament. He knows where the cope comes from? From ancient times pluvialis which was the typical liturgical cloak used by ancient priests religion Roman pagan.
We call the Successor of the Blessed Apostle Peter the Supreme Pontiff. You know who we got this title from? From the high priest who on the Sublicius bridge in Rome studied the movements of the waters and the flight of birds to interpret the will or favor of the gods and who by virtue of this was called Pontifex Maximus (Supreme Pontiff).
I could go on and on but I conclude with a question: it is I who must learn from her or she from me? Because if she had a touch of humility, he shouldn't make outlandish claims as if his assumptions were truth, but it should, to a scholar like me, ask questions to try to understand everything you don't know. This is for an obvious reason: because while she, read four bullshit on social think you have it all figured out, I who study from 40 year old, I often ask myself the serious question if, just in case, after so much studying, maybe in the end I didn't understand shit, to use an idiom so dear and used by the Supreme Pontiff Benedict XIV, nee Prospero Lambertini, who threatened, who was scandalized by his bad words, that if they did not stop acting scandalized he would have promulgated one “Bubble of Fuck” to grant plenary indulgence to those who uttered these words ten times a day.
To refute the idolatry thesis of pachamama, you recalled by analogy some accidents borrowed in Christianity from the ancient religion. Request: we can apply the analogue criterion so extensively? That is, we can say that the Mother of God borrows the ancient cult of Gaea, Mother Earth? From an anthropological point of view, perhaps yes, because all religions vaguely and confusedly express the ancestral need for what God later revealed in Christ. But if therefore the pachamama is an archetype of the Mother of God, it is also obvious to assign it a liturgical space in S.. Peter and staging apparent propitiatory cults in the Vatican gardens, thereby confirming an equivalence? For Card Esquivel, everything is fine, Madame the Marquise, there is no idolatry; however, sensing the inadequacy of you so much reasoning, as a clerical trader, the ace of accusation falls against those who judge, and the speech is closed. Dear Eminence, but how do we know that whoever reveres the sun (impersonal entity) he is worshiping God? It does not seem justified to her the fear that in this way it appears instead of between cult and cult, in the end, there's no difference? If for beautiful souls like her it is all so obvious, what need is there for him to come and explain it to us later? If, on the other hand, the thing is not obvious, he sees no cause for scandal? P. Ariel, if on the pachamama you are "the first to say that it was not appropriate", because it refers us to the cardinal's politically correct official statement? If “As Jesus says, we must not judge or condemn as idolatry what is not ", what is it that was not appropriate?
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Rita Parsi
Maybe I'm wrong, but when you try abroad, where you are not known, it could be a sign of a local crisis, maybe unspoken. Generally a leader does not start alone but with proselytes, with a kind of sequel to make his own credible “mission”. Who…internal crisis hatches us. Perhaps he thought that South American cultures were made up of spiritualistic suckers and mouthfuls?
Everything would suggest a collapse in the house. Maybe they don't believe him here anymore? Because then the Italians get tired of the usual character. And here the daily routine is no longer enough even for those who are hooked? Applying Gamaliel's principle I would say that perhaps Don Minutella is to fruit. Now also to South American Macedonia
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The Minutella knows the Gamaliel principle? It is not that of Pythagoras, tell him.
Cara Rita |,
your always wise and polite comments make the answers so pleasant to me. I answer therefore that the poor thing in question, besides being a concentration of arrogance equal only to his colossal and crass ignorance in philosophical matters, historical and above all theological-dogmatic, he is a provincial irredeemable.
On his previous trip to Colombia he spoke with the help of a translator who did not know how to translate some of his turns of phrase. Indeed, the greatest evangelizer in the world sent by Madonna in person (The one Minutella speaks to is not the Madonna, namely the Blessed Virgin Mary, but Madonna) he started talking about issues even linked to specific contexts of particular Italian localities (!?).
In short: Minutella around certain countries looks like Totò in that comedy film in which he went away to Milan with a fur coat and a Russian hat on his head. With the difference that Totò was a comedian aware and aware of being a comedian, Minutella, on the other hand, is serious and does not realize how comical he is.
This must be understood: if one leaves as a free citizen or as a tourist around the world, no problem. If instead one, like this poor fellow, assumes to travel to certain countries to deliver specific messages and announcements to local people, of whatever kind they are, in this case he must first of all know the uses, the costumes, the habits and way of thinking of those populations even before leaving. Above all he must know, and also good, their language, or in cases of particularly difficult languages, for example the oriental languages or the Arabic language, in this case, knowing well the conventional language with which these populations communicate, for example English or French.
Going with certain pretensions to the countries of Latin America and not being able to communicate in Spanish, or saying a few ridiculous words macaronic Spanish, it is partly demented and partly from arrogant presumptuous without measure and restraint, also because at that point, as she rightly says, locals can think … but this, by chance he wants to take us for suckers?
Add to this that in the Catholic circles of the various countries of the world, when an Italian priest arrives, people, of practice and rigor, always expect the best of the best, because in their Catholic way of thinking and feeling that priest, whether it is from Cefalù or from Bolzano, for them it comes from Rome and that's it, because for them and in their Catholic feeling, Italy is Rome. For this reason, expectations are always high and strictly speaking, in Africa come in America Latina, in Asia as well as in the Catholic communities of Arab countries.
Obviously, the poor provincial away, these things just don't get there, so he can only play the part of Totò away to Milan, but as I repeat: Totò acted, while Minutella, poor fellow, is serious!
He will collect everything he deserves, while the idiots who finance holidays with following following by him disguised as apostolic journeys, they will have to seriously answer to God.
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Emanuela Sala
“an Italian Lord who arrives in our country and gathers 20 people is not a problem but something that does not exist.”…
a truth also for Italy: does not exist, the majority don't even know who he is, a sane person laughs at it.
Gather the faithful fit to his fold.
AMEN…go in peace.
P.S its functions have no value, he does not consecrate bread and wine, the sacraments celebrated by Minutella are not valid…it's a game and it won't last long.
Emanuela's way,
I have a priestly duty and obligation to correct it. The Holy Mass celebrated by Minutella is valid and the Sacraments administered by him are valid.
By the law of the Church he could not, not just celebrating Mass and administering Sacraments, but he himself could not receive the Sacraments until after having repented. Nor could he enter a church. Indeed, in two French sanctuaries, prevented him from accessing. So, the Masses he celebrates and the Sacraments he administers are for the Church and ecclesiastical law: valid but illegal. Namely: he celebrates Holy Mass in an illicit way and in an illicit way administers the Sacraments because the Church has forbidden it, however, both Holy Masses and Sacraments are valid, because in any case he remains a validly ordained priest. Those who participate in his celebrations and receive Sacraments from him, incur excommunication automatic (automatic excommunication).
Therefore, when it comes to dismissal from the clerical state, no one should think that the Minutella ceases to be a priest, because that will always and forever remain. Being dismissed from the clerical state means no longer belonging to the clergy and to the body of the faithful of the communion of the Catholic Church, however, no one can take away the sacrament of Holy Orders, like no one, to her, could never take away Holy Baptism.