There are priests who propagate and recommend reading the work of Maria Valtorta, ignoring that the Church has declared it misleading and dangerous
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THERE ARE PRIESTS WHO PROPAGAND AND RECOMMEND THE READING OF THE WORK OF MARIA VALTORTA, IGNORE THAT THE CHURCH HAS DECLARED IT AS LANDING AND DANGEROUS
The Opera della Valtorta "was placed on the Index on 16 December 1959 and defined “Badly romanticized life of Jesus”. The provisions of the Decree of the Holy Office were republished with an explanatory note on 1 December 1961. After the abrogation of the Index, what was published on By Janet (1966) that, although abolished, l’Index kept “all its moral value” for which it is not considered appropriate to disseminate and recommend a Work whose condemnation was not given lightly but after weighted reasons in order to neutralize the damage it can cause to the most inexperienced faithful "
(Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith)
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Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
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the famous science fiction film of the 1980s: E.T. the alien, by Steven Spielberg
Many simple people and in good faith they turned to the Fathers de The Island of Patmos to ask about the work of Maria Valtorta and to inform us that it has been recommended for reading by various priests, some of which use the texts of this imaginative author in their catechesis. Very serious thing, because a pastor in the care of souls cannot ignore that these are writings repeatedly condemned and advised against by the Church. Any priest who uses them or who advises them in reading bears the responsibility of administering poison to the People of God.
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My free judgment as a scholar on Maria Valtorta it has always been bad. For little worth I consider this Author affected by bizarre mysticism and narcissistic megalomania. A free judgment based on the absurdities of what today is known and seriously improperly indicated as "The Gospel of Maria Valtorta".
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Contrary to those who elevate their own opinions and the subjective feeling to intangible truths of the faith, for my setting and theological training, juridical and ecclesial, when I express free opinions I always specify that they are such and that as such they leave the time they find. Unless it announces truths of faith, making me the voice and faithful instrument of the Church which has given me the mandate to do so by the sacrament of grace, thus fulfilling a duty from which I cannot and must not shirk. In the event to, to the "boarding Catholic" who begins by saying "... I disagree, because in my opinion… I believe that… »I am obliged to reply that he is in grave error, not because I'm right, but because I announced what the Church teaches, clarifying what are his judgments given, before which no believer who is truly such can reply: "… I do not agree, because in my opinion ... I believe that ... ". No single priest and no faithful Catholic can and never should dare to declare authentic what the Church has declared false or impudently say to believe in what the Church has clearly said that one must not believe or give faith. therefore I repeat: it is very serious that priests disseminate and transmit the writings of Maria Valtorta in open disobedience to the decisive and negative judgments given by the Church on this work of fantasy, presenting them as authentic and as edifying works for the spirit of believers.
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Like it or not to certain passionaries, declare to the Catholic faithful that Maria Valtorta's is not a work of mysticism and spirituality but a colossal hoax containing serious doctrinal deviations that damage the faith, a vision at times even grotesque of Divine Revelation and Mariology, it is not a free and subjective personal opinion, but the judgment of the Church, to whom I am bound to pay obedient respect and which as a presbyter and theologian I am bound to transmit to the People of God, inviting him to listen and respect the judgment that the Ecclesiastical Authority has given.
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Clarify yourself these fundamental elements, not always easy to make understood by those who live the experience of faith in an immature way, subjective and emotional, I now let the documents through which the Ecclesiastical Authority has expressed itself over time on the work of Maria Valtorta speak.. Clear and precise opinions before which no believer, but above all no pastor in charge of the care and guidance of souls, can reply: "… I do not agree, because in my opinion ... I believe that ... ".
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A LIFE OF JESUS BADLY FAMILIAR
The Osservatore Romano edition of 6 January 1960
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In another part of our Journal there is the Decree of the Holy Office with which a work in four volumes is put on the Index, by anonymous author (at least in this print) published on the Isola del Liri. While dealing exclusively with religious topics, said volumes have no imprimatur, as required by Can. 1385, 1 n.2 of the Code of Canon Law. The Publisher, in which a short preface, writes that the Author "in the likeness of Dante gave us a work in which, framed by splendid descriptions of times and places, countless characters present themselves and turn their cake to us, the strong, or admonishing word. The result was a humble and impressive work: the literary homage of a grieving sick person to the Great Comforter Jesus ". Instead, to an attentive reader these volumes appear to be nothing more than a long prolix fictional life of Jesus.
Apart from the vanity of the approach to Dante and despite his illustrious personalities (whose undoubted good faith was surprised) have given their support to the publication, the Holy Office believed it necessary to put it in the Index of Prohibited Books. The reasons are easily identifiable by those who have the painstaking patience to read the almost four thousand pages of dense print. First of all, the reader is struck by the length of the speeches attributed to Jesus and the Blessed Virgin; by the interminable dialogues between the many characters that populate those pages.
The four Gospels present us the humble Jesus, Reserved; his speeches are meager, incisors, but of maximum effectiveness. Instead, in this kind of fictional story, Jesus is talkative at best, like a protester, always ready to proclaim himself Messiah and Son of God and to give theology lessons with the same terms that a professor of our day would use. In the story of the Gospels we admire the humility and silence of the Mother of Jesus; instead for the author (or the author) the Blessed Virgin has the faculty of a modern propagandist of this work, it is always present everywhere, she is always ready to give lessons in Marian theology, up-to-date up to the latest studies by current specialists on the subject.
The story unfolds slowly, almost gossip; we find new facts there, new parables, new characters and many, many, women following Jesus. A few pages, then, they are rather rough and recall certain descriptions and certain scenes from modern novels, come, to give just a few examples, the confession made to Maria by a certain Aglae, woman of bad habits (cf.. vol. I, p. 790 SS.), the unedifying story on p. 887 ss. of I vol., a ballet performed, certainly not modestly, before Pilate, in the Praetorium (cf.. vol. IV, p. 75), etc…
At this point it comes, spontaneous a particular reflection: The Work by its nature and in accordance with the intentions of the Author and Publisher, it could easily reach the hands of the religious and the pupils of their colleges. In this case, reading of such passages, like those mentioned, it could hardly be accomplished without danger or spiritual harm. Bible studies specialists will certainly find many historical blunders there, geographic and the like. But being a … novel, these inventions evidently increase the picturesque and the fantastic of the book. Ma, in the midst of so much ostentatious theological culture, you can take some … pearls that certainly do not shine for Catholic orthodoxy. Here and there it expresses itself, about the sin of Adam and Eve, a rather strange and inaccurate opinion. In vol. I a page. 63 this title reads: "Mary can be called the second child of the Father". Statement repeated in the text on the next page. The explanation limits its meaning, avoiding an authentic heresy; but it does not remove the well-founded impression that a new Mariology is being built, that easily crosses the limits of convenience.
In the II vol. Pag. 772 it is read: «Heaven is Light, perfume and harmony. But if the Father did not bathe in it, in contemplating the All Beautiful that makes the Earth a paradise, but if in the future Paradise should not have the living Lily in whose bosom are the Three pistils of fire of the divine Trinity, luce, scent, harmony, the joy of Heaven would be crippled by half ". Here a hermetic and very confused concept is expressed, Fortunately; because if you were to take it literally, it would not save itself from severe censorship.
Finally, mention of another strange and imprecise statement, in which it is said of the Madonna: «Tu, in the time you stay on Earth, second to Peter as an ecclesiastical hierarchy …».
The Opera, so, it would have deserved a sentence even if it had only been a novel, if only for reasons of irreverence. But in reality the author's intention demands more. Scrolling through the volumes, here and there we read the words «Jesus says…», «Maria says…»; or: "I see…" and similar. On the contrary, towards the end of the fourth volume (pag. 839) the author turns out to be an author and writes that he is a witness of all messianic time and that he is called Mary. These words make you remember that, about ten years ago, some voluminous typescripts were circulating, which contained pretended visions and revelations. It is known that at the time the competent Ecclesiastical Authority had prohibited the printing of these typescripts and had ordered that they be withdrawn from circulation.. Now we see them reproduced almost entirely in the present Work. Therefore this public condemnation of the Supreme Sacred Congregation is all the more timely, because of grave disobedience.
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REPLY OF THE PREFECT OF THE CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH TO A REQUEST FOR AN OPINION ON THE WORK OF MARIA VALTORTA
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Rome, 31 January 1985 – Prot. n. 144/58
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By His Most Reverend Eminence
Giuseppe Cardinal Siri
Metropolitan Archbishop of Genoa
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Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
By letter of 18 May, the Reverend Father Umberto Losacco, Cappuccino, he asked this Sacred Congregation for clarification regarding the writings of Maria Valtorta, collected under the title: The Poem of the Man-God and if there was an assessment by the Magisterium of the Church on the publication in question with the bibliographic reference. In this regard, I have the honor to point out to your Eminence - who will consider the advisability of informing the Reverend Father - that the Work in question was actually placed on the Index on 16 December 1959 and defined by The Osservatore Romano the 6 January 1960 "Life of Jesus badly fictionalized". The provisions of the Decree were republished with an explanatory note still on The Osservatore Romano of December 1st 1961, as can be seen from the documentation attached herewith. Having then believed that the printing and dissemination of the Work in question was lawful, After the successful repeal Index, always on The Osservatore Romano (15 June 1966) what was published on By Janet (1966) that, although abolished, l’Index retained "all its moral value" for which it is not considered appropriate to disseminate and recommend a Work whose condemnation was not decided lightly but after weighted reasons in order to neutralize the damage that such publication can cause to the most inexperienced faithful.
Grateful to all of His gracious provision in this respect, profit of the occasion to confirm with the highest consideration Your most reverend Eminence.
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XJoseph Cardinal Ratzinger
Prefect
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MESSAGE FROM THE ITALIAN EPISCOPAL CONFERENCE TO THE EDITOR OF THE WORK OF MARIA VALTORTA
Rome, 6 May 1992 – Prot. N. 324/92
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For the attention of
Valtortiano Publishing Center
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Esteemed Publisher,
Cardinal Dionigi Tettamanzi, Metropolitan Archbishop of Milan, at the time Secretary General of the Italian Episcopal Conference
following frequent requests, which also reach this Secretariat, of an opinion on the attitude of the Ecclesiastical Authority on the writings of Maria Valtorta, currently published since Valtortiano Publishing Center, I reply by referring to the clarification offered by Notes published by The Osservatore Romano the 6 January 1960 and the 15 June 1966.
Precisely for the true good of the readers and in the spirit of an authentic service to the faith of the Church, I'm asking you what, in a possible reprint of the volumes, it is clear from the first pages that the visions e i dictations referred to in them cannot be considered of supernatural origin, but they must be considered simply literary forms that the Author used to narrate, in his own way, the life of Jesus.
Grateful for this collaboration, I express my esteem and I offer you my respectful and cordial greetings.
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XDionigi Tettamanzi, bishop
General Secretary of the C.E.I.
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All clarified and documented I conclude by reiterating that in the face of these clears, precise and decisive opinions given by the Ecclesiastical Authority, no faithful Catholic, but above all no presbyter in charge of the care and guidance of souls, he should never dare to reply: "… I do not agree, because in my opinion ... I believe that ... ".
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To the kind attention of Don Ariel Levi Di Gualdo
Good evening,
Before, a premise: for some, stubbornly prevented, Maria Valtorta and her monumental work are “smoke in the eyes”, and look for the “hair in the egg” to discredit and belittle his writings, that they have done and do so much good, in many parts of the world and not only in Italy!
Some lay people who, after reading it, decide to become priests, it does not matter!
That there are atheists who have started with the idea of countering its contents, because considered “fairy tales”, while then as they approached those pages, they have been conquered by it, so much so that they have also converted, it really doesn't matter!
That Pope Pius XII, said to publish it, and not to omit about the words “Dictations” it's the “Visions”, and that "the reader will understand", it doesn't matter!
St. Padre Pio also had prevarications and ostracism from the former Holy Office around the 1930s, then we know how it ends: Padre Pio was raised to the altars in 2002!
As stated above, here I am now trying to give it, in my small, some clarifications …
Don Ariel Di Gualdo, in reference to his articulated albeit specious note of adversity to the work of the mystic Maria Valtorta, as to him, the Church has already pronounced itself in the past, with notes of opposition to the knowledge of the work "The poem of the Man-God", today "THE GOSPEL AS IT WAS REVEALED TO ME", I mean the following:
1.As you know, the note that appeared in "L'Osservatore Romano" with an anonymous signature, entitled “A life of Jesus…
She writes:
«That Pope Pius XII, said to publish it, and not to omit the words "Dictations" and / or "Visions", and that "the reader will understand", it doesn't matter!»
This statement is very serious because it is pure lie, a “urban legend” put into circulation by the so-called Valtortian circles and repeatedly and unnecessarily denied by the Holy See and the Italian Episcopate. And in the face of such a colossal lie passed off as authentic, it is completely unnecessary to answer all the other far-fetched things you say.
The prerogative of fanatics is not to read and not to listen to the voice of the Church and the documents of the Church that have been reported. The fanatic goes on blind and deaf on his way, whatever objective data is placed under his eyes he will not grasp it, indeed it will deny it.
In my article they are reported:
1. The condemnation of the Holy Office of 1959;
2. The explanatory note to the condemnation of the Holy Office published on The Osservatore Romano In the 1960;
3. The subsequent explanatory note of the 1966;
4. The negative opinion given by the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 1985 confirming the conviction of 1959;
5. The invitation made by the Italian Episcopal Conference in 1992 to the Editor of the works of Valtorta to want to insert a note at the beginning to clarify that the writings are not supernatural revelations.
If you haven't read all these things in my article or simply don't want to hear them, because his emotional little heart he tells her something else and pushes her towards another reality that is however neither the truth nor the obedience that she should give to the Church, the problem is all his own, certainly not mine.
For the Church, all ’ today, the work of Valtorta, remains and is only "a badly fictionalized story of Jesus", destined to create confusion in emotional and immature people like you. The journey of faith rests entirely on the teaching of the Church, not on the novels of Valtorta.
Don Ariel, thank you for already replying to my msg that though, it was patently incomplete (this part was addressed in general ..) and rightly so by the broken system, for running out of available characters; if continued, he would have read my answer to his well-fed documentary list! I do not want, but as soon as I can I will try to expose you my most complete thoughts on this fascinating one, albeit in many ways, controversial thematic, obviously reducing the number of characters (which is not easy!) My respectful regards
Gentile Don Ariel, I wanted to continue my answer, (tell her that I already knew the various documents she cited and more ..), but interrupted yesterday due to having reached i 1600 characters, and now, if you allow me, I hope he will grant it to me, I would like, before continuing with the answer, ask her the following three questions:
1.Can you please indicate WHO, WHERE AND WHEN did the document of denial of the Holy See and the Italian Episcopate appear, in reference to the sentence of Pope Pius XII that I quoted to you ... .. "Publish the Work as it is, who reads will understand "?
2. Moreover, can you let us know, in all sincerity, (then it is easier for her because she obviously knows and believes that God reads in hearts!), if you have ever read the 500 pages of "The Autobiography" by Maria Valtorta, written by this, at the request of the Priest Romualdo Migliorini, while she was paralyzed in bed, in just 4 months? (Alessandro Manzoni for the "Promessi Sposi", well of 500 pages, it took you 20 year old!);
3. Have you ever read a few pages, or chapter or all 5000 pages of "The Gospel as it was revealed to me", that the mystic wrote , from January 1944 to April 1947, in the same period of time, that is, the same three years and four months, employed by Jesus, 2000 Years ago, in the years of your public life, the age of 30 years up to 33 years and four months, when he wandered and spread the "Good News" in Israel and in Palestine in general? Thank you. Kind regards
Very expensive,
despite appearances, i am very patient, those who know me are often struck by the resistance of my patience.
I explain why I do not answer and why any answer would be completely useless, first of all because his are non-questions through which he tries to prove that he is right.
So I don't answer why:
1. with faith – or what you believe to be – has a purely emotional approach;
2. for her it is truth of faith “what I feel” e “what I believe”, not what the Church teaches, unless the Church tells you what you want to hear;
3. she ignores, to the proven evidence of the facts and his clumsy attempts to talk, what the history of the Church has been and therefore what an opinion given by the Church is in and of itself and what value it has at the moment in which she decisively declares that she does not recognize the supernaturality of events, appearances, revelations, locutions, hence the listening and obedience that in these cases one is obliged to lend to the Church;
4. she asks: “Can you please indicate WHO, WHERE AND WHEN did the document of denial of the Holy See and the Italian Episcopate appear, in reference to the sentence of Pope Pius XII that I quoted to you ... "Publish the Work as it is, who reads will understand "?».
And here I stop telling you only this: anyone who knows the story, pastoral action, doctrinal and political of an authentic giant like the Supreme Pontiff Pius XII, he knows perfectly well that a sentence like the one imaginatively attributed to him by certain dreamlike Valtortian circles is against, but totally against the very implantation of his nature and personality. A personality that the undersigned has studied for years and years, then also publishing a book in which I talk about the most critical and controversial period linked to the very complex events of the Second World War, demonstrating in two of my different publications, with the full-bodied sources and notes that accompany them page after page, of having spent long periods of time studying documents and wandering from one historical archive to another.
Pius XII who says: "Publish the work as it is, who reads will understand " (!?).
Let's not joke!
But to her, that Pius XII recounted? Do you know that Pius XII, if he had to write a document, I'm not saying an encyclical or a motu proprio, but even a private response to a request for opinion, if he had to insert a quote, he demanded that the original archival document be brought to him, not a copy, because otherwise, if he did not have the original in his hand, he did not insert it? And in your opinion, Pio XII, in those historical years of high social tension, political and ecclesial, he would have read diligently and with care the thousands of pages of Valtorta and then given such a sentence with a lapidary joke? With all the doctrinal blunders that those writings contain?
Be serious, or at least try.
She can not, therefore, talk to me as if I were his hairdresser – with all the deepest respect for hairdressers – because I'm not and because I don't intend to get involved in bar talk, for my human dignity, for my priestly dignity, for my dignity as a scholar.
Thanks Don Ariel for his annoyance, articulate No answer to my three questions! I was saddened by it! But above all I pray, saying: “God's will be done!”.
Yet know that the 26 February 1948, Pope Pius XII, in a special audience with three priests, Cecchin, Migliorini, Berti, spoke those fateful words, very serious for her and repeatedly denied by the Holy See, without saying, however, when this denial occurred. Now here I stop.. ! But whoever lives will see!!
Returning to his editorial of 19 c.m., so well documented on the condemnation of the Opera di Maria Valtorta, I mean:
1.Meanwhile, the note from 6 January 1960, of "L'Osservatore Romano", entitled "A badly fictionalized life of Jesus", among other things, reports: <>. Gentile Don Ariel, he knows what the truth is? That in the work of Maria Valtorta of historical "blunders", geographic and similar ", there is not even a shadow!
In fact from 2012, some scientists and professors, (the Engineer, Jean-Francois Lavere – Liberato De Caro, (Researcher of the CNR) – Emilio Matricciani, (Lecturer at the Milan Polytechnic) – Fernando La Greca (Professor of the University of Salerno) - deepening the work, they noted the amazing scientific correspondence of the writings, from the historical point of view, geographical, archaeological, etc. to the reality of the territory of Israel and Palestine, as it was 2000 Years ago, at the time of Jesus' presence along the roads of Galilee, of Samaria, from the…
In my article there are the official judgments given by the Church on the Valtorta question.
You play with pure sophisms in an attempt to deny the clear evidence of the facts: the Church has never recognized the supernaturality and inspiration of those writings.
I clarified and explained to you, Unfortunately in vain, than to attribute to Pius XII the phrase "Publish the Work (editor's note of Valtorta) as well as, whoever reads will understand ”is equivalent to affirming that John Paul II, responding in a colloquial way in the face of unspecified ones “witnesses” stated that the use of condoms and the contraceptive pill may also be allowed in certain forms and circumstances.
There is no need to disprove such a thing with evidence, papers, official statements and so on, because such an expression would have been against personality, the nature and doctrine of John Paul II.
Just like Pius XII ever, under any circumstances, he would have indulged in an imprudent and light joke like the one i fanatikos valtortiani they want to attribute it at all costs.
I explained it to him in the previous answer, but she does not intend and insists and persists in supporting the unsustainable.
She demonstrates and insists on showing that she does not even have the vague idea of what are the words of a Supreme Pontiff. We admit it is absurd that Pius XII uttered that sentence in a strictly private sphere. You wonder: what value would that sentence said in a private colloquial context? It would have the value of an encyclical, of an apostolic letter, of a motu proprio?
I ask: she is so ignorant – ignorance means “ignore”/”do not know” – until you think you can give a private colloquial expression the rank of “public approval” Of “unquestionable recognition” o di “binding affirmative expression” addressed to all believers of Christ?
This is what happens to subjects like you who, instead of following the teachings of the Church and those of the masters, they pursue a "badly romanticized story about the life of Jesus".
If you like it, know then that the Church is wrong and that you and the Valtortian circles are totally right. So put the writings of Valtorta above the Four Gospels as well, go on to say that Pius XII recommended printing and reading it and go peacefully in peace with God.
Then Don Ariel, I see that we do not understand each other and that we walk on divergent tracks!
But why is it so tranchant!
For nothing in the world I support what you want to attribute to me at the end of your msg: to place the writings of Maria Valtorta above the Four Gospels, etc. never!
I'm just reporting the sentence, said by Pius XII in a special audience given to the Fathers of the Servants of Mary, Cecchin, Migliorini and Corrado Berti, who had brought him the then typewritten work.
Among other things, the next day, 27 February 1948, L'Osservatore Romano on the front page, shoulder, published the names of the said priests who had had a special audience with Pius XII the day before!
It was she or not who said that the phrase attributed to Pius XII ° <> it is very serious and has been repeatedly and to no avail, denied by the Holy See and the Italian Episcopate?
Now she changes version and says that <>.. But if he wrote that it was repeatedly denied, now he says "no need ..?
Then, I don't chase "A badly fictionalized story of Jesus": in no way!
But, this wording was pronounced in the last century! Since then, the Church has certainly never recognized the supernaturality and inspiration of those writings. Fair Enough, I agree with her!
At the same time, I would like to point out that since the S.. Office, (1959), issued that order….
She is obsessed and retorts obsessively: I want proof … I want proof … I want proof!
I have given you logical examples on which you have overlooked, indomitable and stubborn, retorting: I want proof … I want proof … I want proof!
I explained to you that such an expression is against the very structure and nature of Pius XII on which I have given you various details.
No way: I want proof … I want proof … I want proof!
It is not me who does not answer but her.
I explained to her, with copious examples, that the thing is impossible, something that any historical expert of the Church would repeat to her.
Regarding:
"Among other things, the next day, 27 February 1948, L'Osservatore Romano on the front page, shoulder, published the names of the said priests who had had a special audience with Pius XII the day before "
Is this, what does it prove, in your opinion?
He knows how the hearings work and how they were reported in “role”?
Leonard Boff also went to an audience with two popes with registration in the role, so what does it mean, that two Supreme Pontiffs blessed his ecclesiogenesis and liberation theology?
The difference is that Leonard Boff was a very cultured and intelligent person and he took great care to come out of the hearing and tell the Valtortian circles, like those three Servants of Mary, the belly his Pius XII, that as he will know – if he doesn't know, I'll tell him – it was only brought out after his death.
Clear?
Be kind, let's close the discussion.
They are major “the damage it can cause to the most inexperienced faithful”:
– A page from Valtorta?
– The note to Mt 2.1 (King Herod died in the year 750 From Rome, which corresponds to the 4 a.C. In the sixth century., due to a miscalculation, the beginning of the Christian era was set for the year 754 From Rome. Actually, Jesus was born in the last years of King Herod's life, probably between 7 and the 6 a.C.)?
Dear Orenzo,
… forgot a hawser (heavy rope) which in the translation from Hebrew to Greek was transformed by the translator into a camel [cf.. Mt 19, 23-30]
What is worth doing certain fleas I do not know, seen and considered that a camel, although it is a translation error, in any case it perfectly renders what Jesus Christ meant.
Even letting go of hyperbole “Who can make an elephant go through the eye of a needle?” (Babylonian Talmud, Baba Mezi’a 38b), which Jesus may have adapted since elephants in Palestine, unlike camels, they were very few, It is possible that the evangelist who writes using the name of Matthew and that, it states, he wrote down Peter's preaching, did not ask Peter himself if he should write κάμηλος (camel) the camel (cable, heavy rope)?
So much for the record, gum, couch, it is written in Greek κάλως
I apologize: I mistakenly wrote Matteo in place of Mark.
Dear Father Levi di Gualdo, if you don't post the previous comment, what is the point of the following comment in which I apologize for having written Matteo in place of Marco?
Perhaps, indeed it will surely have escaped the editors. Now I check …
Dear Father Levi,
since you write “i am very patient, those who know me are often struck by the resistance of my patience”, you would be willing to continue, privately or publicly, as you prefer, a “spits * are” my reflections on the human nature of Jesus?
Of course, in private
Good morning Father Ariel. I was already familiar with the judgment of the Church on Valtorta and his writings, but it is always good to reread them.
I wanted to ask: there is a similar judgment on the writings of Luisa Piccarreta? Thanks to the internet activity of a fairly followed priest, at least in my area a lot of people know, they read and follow what Piccarreta wrote. I was in fact very confused when the 14 last August a lady, at the exit of the church, he told me that "tomorrow is the feast of the divine will".
Dear Reader,
I can't give you an answer, not because I don't want to, but because I just don't know the life and works of this Servant of God.
Incidentally: the title of Servant / Servant of God is given “automatically” when a process of beatification is open, it is not a title conferred like that of Venerable, which constitutes the first stage of official recognition before beatification.
Therefore, all I can say, is that the necessary elements have been found to initiate the opening of a process, the outcomes of which it is neither possible nor given to know what they will be.
At this link you can find the official page of the Postulation.
I am sorry not to be able to tell you more than what I unfortunately do not know and do not know.
https://www.luisapiccarretaofficial.org/cause-postulator
Dear Zanagoria, good Sunday evening of the Lord.
Excuse me if you allow me to comment on your thoughts. Certainly it is good to re-read what Don Ariel reported, about the fact that the work of the mystic Maria Valtorta, to this day it is not recognized!
At the same time I allow myself to observe that all those negative pronouncements, pivot on what was expressed by the Holy Office in 1959 and L'Osservatore Romano in January 1960, or: a work of fantasy, accompanied by “historical blunders, geographic and similar ". So after such important provisions, the various pronouncements of Cardinal Ratzinger of 1985, of the Card. Tettamanzi del 1992, etc.
But I remember the provisions issued last century; when it was still unknown that decades later, or, from the 2012, of eminent scholars: Washer, expensive, Matricians, The Greek would have discovered and verified the scientific correspondence, than described by Maria Valtorta, to the archaeological reality of the Israeli / Palestinian territory, How it was 2000 Years ago, at the time of Jesus' presence along the roads of Galilee, of Samaria, of Judea. So: historical blunders, geographic and the like? MAh!.
And many have wondered: given the incredible correspondence, how it was possible, for a sick and paralyzed woman, isolated from the world, then without internet, computer, to be able to illustrate, down to the smallest detail, landscapes, streets, bridges, the palace of Lazarus, the house of the Cenacle, the wedding house at Cana, the city Antioch, Caesarea, etc. so sensationally confirmed in excavations…
Luckily «dal 2012, of eminent scholars: Washer, expensive, Matricians, The Greek…» they have in fact proved that the Church was wrong in her own judgments, we thank them from the bottom of our hearts.
You see my dear, in the same year 2012, during an exorcism, documented and filmed, obviously authorized by the bishop of that diocese and present with me as witnesses and specialists the attending physician and an academic psychiatrist who was not even Catholic and who was totally thrilled, the Devil began to say things through the mouth of the obsessed person that only the individual directly concerned could know, starting with me, exorcist, to whom from first to last he made a list of my sins, I included several so distant in time that I didn't even remember them.
You have a very romantic concept about the elements of supernaturality. He knows that the Devil is able to perform more spectacular miracles than God (obviously it is God who allows it) and that certain demoniacs have gifts of clairvoyance and of reading people's lives that not even a great thaumaturge like St. Pio of Pietrelcina had?
Then, being also postulator of the causes of the saints and having studied far and wide certain phenomena and worked in that area, which you obviously know and have studied much better than me, I can assure you that the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, several times, he did not recognize striking prodigious events and apparently extraordinary revelations, rather, he suspected that they were not the work of God but of the Evil One.
As you see, the Church abounds with scholars, specialists and men of science who know a lot, but much less than her, that delights us with its pearls of wisdom and its amazing proofs of the authenticity of the writings of Maria Valtorta.
I can ask you, at this point, what kind of job does he do? What specialist studies did he carry out?
I think at this point in the discussion it is good to know, not so much for me but for those who read us.
For example, my name is Ariel Stefano Levi di Gualdo, I was born on 19 August 1963 and my tax code is LVDSFN63M19E202S, in the ecclesiastical registry of the Central Office of the Clergy of the Italian Bishops' Conference I am not registered with my matriculation number 55643, I have an identity with which I take responsibility for everything I say, instead her name is Joseph and that's it?