From the famous gigolo Francesco Mangiacapra to Christ who calls via the road between Zacchaeus crowd to see it had climbed a sycamore tree: "Today I must stay at your house"
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depends on what
pain does not evidently covers
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A creation made out of love that works by means of the color of your creatures . MAh!
What color would the creatures that nothing can or against the laws of the universe?
Sig Orenzo
I understand that when s'intavola a speech everyone has their own arguments to show and so far, too benevolently, This site has given me the possibility to express myself. Having said this I add that I will not convince you of anything because I myself have few convictions indeed virtually no, But I would allow me to point out that if we intend for evil “fruit voluntary behavior of a free choice not permitted to other sentient beings beyond man” we agree, but if for evil intrinsic to understand the pain that keeps the natural homeostasis, Well this' evil’ quite clearly, was the first man who, I seem to understand, It was not intended “naturally” immortality as well interdiction to use the tree of good and evil, He had received the same prohibition to the tree of life. That said, always thinking down to earth, as it is within my reach, I note that the snake was already in the perfect garden Edenic, was an inherently evil creature who stood there without them understand the reason.
It remains to understand and identify what was waiting this primordial man once came out from Eden.
AB.
Ps when I looked into her eyes my dog I saw in him an unconditional confidence in me and I realized that between us the bastard could be just me.
You write “.. but if for evil intrinsic to understand the pain that keeps the natural homeostasis ..”.
However, regardless of whether you believe that the rules that allow the universe to be who you are established by themselves or have been established by Someone, You could not know the purpose for which such rules exist, how you could opine whether they are good or bad, if they produce evil or good if you had the “knowledge of good and evil”?
With regard to the still mythical story of Genesis, there was no prohibition with respect to the “tree of Life”, but was only told that eating de “the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” He would have produced death.
The snake, instead, refer to spiritual forces created before man and that you were opposed to the One who created them.
The primal aspect of man's affair science.
Themselves. Orenzo
I am, how do you say, a quisque de populo and therefore before any theological consideration, which I can not do, I empirical observation servant. This leads me to note that the mechanism of creation necessarily still imposes an enormous spending of pain to work, identically distributed among the creatures and therefore among those who eat (or does not eat) and those who ate (I trivialize). on, even animals suffer as explained, among others, Konrad Lorenz and suffer both physically and psychologically. Al mechanism inevitably doloristico, albeit admirable, plus the great wickedness of man exterminator acting on innate greed. And before the man was? It was the same. The carnivore ate the herbivore otherwise starved. With regard to the commentaries to the Pauline passage, are not mine but the share and the author of the same is not a quisque de populo so far proposed the comment is incorrect because you say it, It is correct in its sole opinion (in any case I had no intention of thinking of theodicy but only “spring” a photo in the world) .
AB
The picture of the world have taken certain that our ancestors, thinking about the problem of evil, They produced the mythical story of original sin;
as follows, briefly and succinctly, which it may have been their reasoning:
– evil and death do not exist by themselves but only as they are “degradation” good and life (in a way in which all have one leg, having one leg is not bad; He can die only what was once alive);
– everything, if there is not something else to change their status, It would remain in the state in which it is, e, therefore, the good would always remain good and life will always remain life;
– to that “interference” due to which the property may “degradation” evil and life in death, those of our ancestors gave the name of the “original sin”.
*Then came the world Jesus Christ, claiming to be God (take or leave) instructed his disciples that he had come to clear the “original sin” e, last, the death.
Thanks dad Ivano for the delicacy and completeness with which he addressed the issue of the distinction between “sin” e “sinner”.
Nowadays there is enough confusion about this, I had to read up and read very alone because education I received absolutely did not take into account this distinction.
At one point, however, I began to feel that this could not be, because if the two are inextricably linked, if you love the sinner I also love sin and vice versa.
I was greatly aided the spirit in which he wrote the article.
Priests are human Este, And: while responding to a call or to the priestly vocation, They may incur weaknesses. Behind it is the weapon of the devil ready to groped and seduce victims. Then, the prostitute of priests, law degree, pseudo writer etc.. etc. He also likes to go with men, because it excites in doing so. Choose priests, to get publicity, but in the end he is mean, without dignity !
Dear Antonio Moretti,
as author of the article I want to clarify a few things. First, the article content does not address in the first instance the painful situation of the management of the genitalia by clergy, I said no and genital sexuality as they are two different concepts.
Obviously, these priests have made mistakes and nobody wants to argue otherwise.
The article considers the figure of a young man with homosexual tendencies who chose to undertake the escort work. The article responds to a specific question: What remains of the son of God dignity to this young man who has chosen, making use of its freedom, to move away from God with objectively real choices?
The answer that I hope it can be inferred from the script is to emphasize the good that Francis has Mangiacapra, not according to their sexual orientation and even the performance of its “profession”, but according to a divine adoption which I also own and she.
If you do not start from this basis it is not possible to propose a conversion from evil speech and the person's recovery.
The justification of which St. Paul speaks in Romans is based on the fact that "God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but for the world to be saved through him" [cf. GV 3,17]. That world that needs to be purged from sin strongly, but that can not afford to lose one of these beloved children of God.
The dignity of the baptized, thank goodness, remains despite the accumulation of waste and garbage that with the exercise of our freedom we accumulate.
Another important thing, I have not intended to sanctify Francis will confirm at what he does, God forbid, ma, like any priest of the Catholic Church who knows the moral and pastoral, my speech is aimed at the recovery of the person and the human attempt supported by the grace to leave the Holy Spirit in a soul obviously in trouble.
Let us beware of saying that one is a "be mean without dignity" because among those who practiced prostitution, just take many examples by Don Oreste Benzi community, They have discovered generous souls that I have seen rarely in the sacristy.
We must not be too eager to bestow spiritual death and judgments, because if God has forbidden revenge against Cain there is a reason. We can perhaps understand more deeply the hearts of our brothers?
cordiality.
St. Margaret of Cortona, patron and protector of repentant prostitutes …
Servant of God Oreste Benzi, close to beatification, a life entirely spent in the midst of prostitutes, without forgetting transsexuals …
One and the other, rejecting the sin itself, at the same time they would always welcome the sinner, always! And the one and the other have welcomed characters and figures before which Francis Mangiacapra is a real angel.
I met Father Oreste because I worked with him for years as a volunteer doctor, until I do not seriously ill, and I now prepare for the great meeting with God, maybe more “first” that “then”. I speak, I believe, knowledgeably, and therefore repeat: Francesco Mangiacapra, Comparison of the people that Father Oreste was used to treat and accommodate is a little angel.
Congratulations to Father Ivano, living proof that no matter how surreal invaded by managerial and pastoral ministry, all is not yet lost, not all priests, still they lost …
Greetings from Rimini by a senior doctor
Best wishes for the plunge: with a friend as Don Benzi everything will be definitely for the better.
excuse me Father,
She writes: “Who finds God, find happiness, those who own happiness, also possesses the gift of peace and that is what I wish you. But all this depends only and solely on your freedom and your free will, on which even God never sindacherebbe, so respects human freedom.
But she takes public transport, the car, He never went to a meeting of condominium, him never entered the thieves in the house? If it is so, it is lucky. The man is simply mad, It paints his face as he paints the soul to look like what it is but its essential quid is greed, its essence.
I rejoiced that she finds this I have never met, or rather when I met the girl who loved told me you, I met her seeing the flight of a gull behind the boat, but then it vanished because, precisely, human happiness is impermanent, a fleeting gift and why in all the people I met, believe me, I have found no trace of God, because I've never seen people “happy” filled of perfect Franciscan joy.
May.
It gave, I say this with sadness,It remains a painful illusion.
AB
I am calm and serene
as a weaned child with his mother,
like a weaned child is my soul. (Shall 130.2)
It was given, each to, “It remains a painful illusion”, I can only feel sadness to you.
Ghent Say Orenzo
I too am serene and calm but when I see a dissected animal for cosmetics, a forest burn for burgers, girls as young as five years delivered to brothels, Legal abortions at nine months (but even after one day) etc. etc. etc. to my limit definitely dictated by my creaturely inferiority can I become sad and not basterebero I trascendetali the alleged pampering to lift me.
His reasoning seems to be once I'm good are all well, why do not you give it to my spiritual side I proceeded for a while but, hypothetically saving me, It does not save the creatures.
It Includes?
A bill is the serenity even in difficulties and sorrows of our lives, one thing is empathy, sharing and sharing the pain of others.
however, attribute to God the guilt of evil because he has given man free will, it seems a bit’ too.
Gent . Sig Orenzo
This demonstrates his answer how much I explained evil and to explain better I offer an Epistle to the Romans, St. Paul's focus of my reflection. The annotations are the commentator. "The creation was subjected to imperfection [: the vanity or the chaotic state, to become] not willingly [: for its intimate nature and suction; or do not like Satan] but by the will of the one who subjected [It gave? Lucifer? L'sin Adam?], with the hope that the creation itself will be liberated from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty [said the Semitic, that is: the glorious liberty, in pure form forming condition] of the children of God […] For we know that until now the entire creation sighs together [all together? or together: together with us?] and suffers from the pains of childbirth [:It is moving towards a total fire that will transform it into liquid gold or stone Philosopher; or she is about to give birth to a man - cosmic seed, a cosmos as mformatrice shape and no longer formed, pure archetype].
So I told all
Gent. sig. Anthony Boniface,
This is the correct reading of the passage:
“in fact it (creating in its entirety, from inanimate matter to man)
He was subjected to futility (the fragility, the degradation, to death)
– not willingly, but by reason of him who subjected it, (sin wanted man, culmination of creation, He has subjected to futility even all creation)
– in hope of being set free from its bondage to decay, (the deterioration, the dissolution, perishing)
into the freedom of the glory of God's children. (freedom of life, of beauty, of perfection and splendor of the glory of human life which transfigured, being the human being the culmination of creation, transfigures everything that has been created)
We know that the whole creation groans and suffers to this day in travail; (It is the longing of the creation waits for the arrival of that state of perfection which was destined before the man's sin)”
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Evil, therefore, He is not entered into the world by God's will but by the will of man, and Dio, He is having destroyed the evil, also destroy the…
Evil, therefore, He is not entered into the world by God's will but by the will of man, and Dio, He is having destroyed the evil, also destroy death.
Dearest friend,
although monk for twenty years and a priest for ten I do not consider myself a Martian or a person out of this world. Community life I choose to share with other brothers and that is my vocation is not without hard work and a lot more complicated situations than can live people who have chosen a double life perhaps best of my linear.
You see, I do not know her, but from what you say, we see a disappointment and a deep pessimism that leads towards a dangerous trap, what makes us despair of God e despair in salvation.
The true and lasting happiness for Christians corresponds only to the person of Christ, who said of himself: "I came that they may have life and have it abundantly" (GV 10,10).
The fullness of life, that gives us joy, It does not exist in any reality, philosophy, religion or ideal ground, Christ alone fills the heart of man as he is its creator and lord.
All other human happiness she enumerates are partial happiness, transient that make sense only if you lived in a perspective of faith and united to the person of the Lord.
If we disgiungiamo the Creator from the creature, we will always be doomed to disappointment, as we try in the creature what only God can give.
For example, when your spouse does not become an image of God for me, through dimension of patience, the readiness, of forgiveness, the loving perseverance promises and fruitful union of two lives, sooner or later the other will become a burden to me, It will fall into boredom and try something else to get out of a relationship that has become barren and uninhabitable. Often boredom is the basis of many betrayals, in other reports it is lacking recognition of your loved one and his dignity or person of God which is two people in one body.
The very nature if it is not covered with eyes of faith, It becomes an asset that is subject to my selfishness that I exploit and disfigured according to the desires of the moment and the beautiful seagull flies over a romantic harbor, Tomorrow may be dying because of plastic that I have thrown out or naphtha leakage from a vessel engines.
Instead of seeking happiness in man to find God, look for that reality that makes people happy, seeks God without fear and preconceptions.
The fact that she is still in the research does not warrant the conclusion that reality does not exist just because she does not see it. We try to change the view of the world ... who knows.
Thank you for your kind reply, but I would not throw it sees on staff. I look at the world by staying out as much as possible , a particularly good condition and I allowed or granted a reflection of what I see around me and that, at last, if he may not have answered me.
I repeat. I do not see this “happiness” widespread among Christians , nor those Sunday, nor those of the Sabbath. Among atheists and agnostics “hot air” Christian behavior is identical once an event svernici the false facade.
It's about other religions, I ask: she knows? He sees to what I studied very briefly and I'll tell you “elsewhere” It proceeds to stations and not in stages, passed the ford the river is over there is no need for this commuting sin / forgiveness, sin / forgiveness, when poison “pits of sin” it no longer has to recur so that … I understand that many have said that before they arrived “Christians we were happy” and I will stop here.
With respect to my dear father missed optimism, They are old and very run down, I see the world as it is and as it will be worse in the short mine is…
the behavior is identical once an event svernici the false facade
There are a lot of front Catholics, actually. I understand that these give counter-witness. However there are also other. You see, for instance: we live in a time when Satan is taking over everything, Also the visible Church. This, for a Catholic, It is worse than the sum of all the tragedies, even those who described. Yet I see around me Catholics who understood the times, They are fighting as they can (knowing that they have means, nor human hopes), but trust Christ and are still pleased (*). If before playing ball and told jokes, Now in addition to fighting continue to play ball and tell jokes, and this in no way contradicts the awareness of the tragedy of the times. Every time I see fatigue, that is physiological and is recovered, but no bitterness.
(*) I wrote “glad” and not “happy”, I continued because happiness is not what this life.
No wonder dad Ivano wrote an article (very beautifull, truly!) of a character so particular belonging to a world even more special.
No wonder Father Ariel via Naples take the opportunity to meet him (given that then has to pay a visit to me,let's clarify).
I do not wonder the equally massive young Dominican Father Gabriel, join in regards Francesco Mangiacapra and prayers for him.
No, I'm not surprised it all, indeed honor me, and should honor all the good that survives in our clergy.
To someone like my countryman Francesco, They can only get closer priests-men above suspicion. And the well-deserving of Patmos Island Fathers are above any suspicion, need only look at their faces.
It's this one, Wake soul Neapolitan Francesco, he knew right away, meeting Father Ariel, and I imagine also that you are well also took.
I predict the emergence of good things to come.
Thanks dad Ivano for this item by great man of faith and great free man.
I agree with Don Ciro.
Priests who before subjects that could be called “at high risk” flee screaming, they need to hide behind various fig leaves. The leaf is the most popular is the “opportunity” not to say the “prudence”.
For case, N.S. Jesus Christ, had acquaintances inappropriate and imprudent?
Another is the sad reality: with a soul more or less lost, but still loved by God, like the young Francis, you can approach and compare only priests who have no fears, but mostly hidden skeletons in the closets, Why, in this case, the young Francis, It is likely to act as their bad conscience.
This fear is the truth, Unfortunately!
Dearest brother,
Complete your comment by operating some caveats. First of all, I would not call Francesco Mangiacapra a subject to "high risk" or even worse a "priestly Closet skeletons detector", this is the game that revolves around his eccentric character and that the majority of those who approach him or shun intends to do.
In my opinion it is a game that you have to blow up as soon as possible, you must have the courage to dig beneath the crust. For me he is just a man, indeed I'll tell you more, It is a male who is in desperate need to find God's love and that can be approached only by those who do not consider themselves perfect but who, like him, he made the bitter experience of how love can be deceptive, controversial, misleading and sometimes devious if not informed of the presence of God.
The health ministry is widely used image of the "Wounded Healer" that represents the model helpful in explaining the need for an integral care just from those with the same wounds of brothers wishing to heal.
Christ is the true incarnation wounded healer that assuming our nature, It is compromised by the limitations and weaknesses of men so deeply heal what appeared lost. Only the one who makes the other wounded healer can manifest evangelical empathy that recovers the individual not to mention the danger and malice of sin. I wish you well in the Lord.
I have rarely read or hear such words. This short article, which testifies to the limits of the human condition and the immense freedom of the Faith, It is a true model of invitation to Christian faith. All exposed sincere charity, that is not afraid to call a spade a spade and accompany them to deeply rational considerations. I do not know if some singers “Church outgoing” (maybe pluridottorati) they would know to transmit a tenth of the meaning of this invitation Father Ivano. Why it is done serving the Truth, not distorting or worse never mind the next (unless in the categories of poor, migrant, indigenous… and in any case in terms materials).
Acute nod to the psychological dimension of certain morbid format televisions. Give us 10, 100, 1000 Father Ivano! On the contrary: clone it!
A Francesco I can not wish anything but take the decisive step. You can not imagine the joy that awaits you. I am having personally known some island Fathers, I am happy that it has developed a dialogue and noted once again that there are no coincidences.
Father Ariel did live in a truly stunning figure, combining authority and irony…