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The website of this magazine and the editions take name from the Aegean island in which the Blessed Apostle John wrote the Book of the Apocalypse, isola also known as «the place of the last revelation»
«God revealed the secrets of others ALTIUS»
(in higher than the others, John has left the Church, the arcane mysteries of God)
The bezel used as the cover of our home page is a 16th century fresco by Correggio. preserved in the Church of San Giovanni Evangelista in Parma
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MANUELA LUZZARDI
“if law, books, gives them away, who receives them as a gift, eight out of ten don't read them.”
It's not the same thing because the gift is immediately not chosen, as someone who can download a book that interests them with one click does. And if only one in three (pessimistic estimate) he will read it, but the downloads were 30 000 (pessimistic estimate) the book will be read by 10 000 people (more gods 1000 who bought it). Not to mention word of mouth.
“Just like many people don't read articles, just see how they launch into the comments, for example by attributing things to the author of the article that he never wrote, … And to these people, she also wants to give a book for free?”
Yup, and I completely reverse your reasoning. By purchasing a book, yes “forage” the author; this is a convenient alibi (even unconscious) to justify not wanting to read it. With free access this “FIG leaf” cade, as well as the alibi for not going into the merits of the issues. If someone claims the presence of something that is not in the book, the author can immediately reply that this is not there by directly quoting the page, row of points in question in the book itself.
Here we are in my field and therefore I can allow myself to counter.
“We cannot afford to do what you suggest.
Writing books costs a lot to the author, then it costs to print them, then it costs to distribute them.
The simplest thing is to buy them.”
You yourself said that the average number of copies is in the hundreds. Once you reach it (as in his case) this threshold the "amortization" of the initiative is reached and what comes after is net profit.
Are, as in your case, the main objective is maximum disclosure and not mere profit, once the above threshold is exceeded, free access would cause diffusion to explode exponentially, which is the primary objective.
But sales of paper books can also benefit from it. In the scientific field, authors who have made complete books available for free have verified that many also bought the paper copy for ease of reading (a name for everyone: Bruce Eickel). I also suspect that donations on the site would also explode based on the well-known psychological principle of reciprocation.
We can't afford to do what you suggest.
Writing books costs a lot to the author, then it costs to print them, then it costs to distribute them.
The simplest thing is to buy them.
Moreover, from almost twenty years of experience, I can tell you that if you, books, gives them away, who receives them as a gift, eight out of ten don't read them.
Just like many people don't read articles, just see how they launch into the comments, for example by attributing things to the author of the article that he never wrote, but they are eager to make controversy and to seek a dispute, and I repeat everything – it goes without saying – without having read.
And to these people, she also wants to give a book for free?
I've been on the road for more than 30 years and I have done all the stages, including election and spiritual marriage. However, despite being convinced of the good that exists and that it has brought to my life, I am aware that many things are wrong, starting from the narcissism of the boss going down to the stupidity and violent rudeness of many too circumcised in mind.
Furthermore, I do not accept ostracism over a book, however critical it may be without going into the merits of the arguments and limiting itself to depressing accusations of low diffusion. For this reason I launch a provocation to Don Ariel: why not make the book “open” with pdf file downloadable for free from the site? With a download counter you will be able to certify and see the directly verifiable diffusion of the book (even among the NCs) skyrocket; not to mention that from each copy downloaded, many others can be generated with a chain reaction effect.
I may be wrong but I believe that the spread of mamotretes , and information and critical books is the more or less expressed nightmare of many at a high level devoted to one-way self-exaltation. Think about it seriously !
Mrs. Paola, THE DEVIL MUST BE SCREAMED (see exorcisms) IF NOT IT TAKES THE WIND AND DOESN'T GO AWAY.
Dearest Father Ariel,
I read the responses to your comments and laugh out loud, I had never met such a real priest,the Neocatechumenals have found a nice bone to gnaw,always move forward so that sooner or later (I hope as soon as possible) you will win the battle and we together with you God bless you.
The Neocatechumenal path has been disobedient to the church from the first day it existed,just think that those who have made this journey for good 40 for years they wandered alone without any approval from the church and already on their own they called themselves Catholics.
When I joined a few years ago I got carried away because from the information I received they assured me that it was a movement that helped the church and that they were Catholic (there was the priest at the catechesis!!!!….) and despite the approval from the Holy See I felt disoriented and confused, then I myself gained strength precisely from the fact that they continually spoke to us about the Pope and how much he appreciated this path, then thank God I got out of this hell……
However, I would like to ask a question:BUT HOW HAVE YOU MANAGED TO GO ON ALL THIS TIME WITH THE IMAGES AND SIMILARIES OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?WITHOUT THAT YOU WERE STILL NOT PART OF THE CHURCH? Now you get excited by saying we have been approved and you think you are super Catholic,but first?
father ariel,
I wanted to say that I appreciate and really do my sincere congratulations for the courage he had to publish his book knowing it would be submerged by the mud of the Neocatechumenal, but perhaps he did not imagine to what extent.
I have been on the Neocatechumenal Way for about 25 year old, in different parishes of several cities (I changed twice on business cities) and I know him well enough The vast majority of walkers are people with a very low cultural level, who believe in all the heresies that is being served up, not having all the tools to understand, discern, kikiani compare the teachings of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, etc…
In this ignorance is accompanied by arrogance and hubris often own devilish. As he experienced on his skin, their wickedness has no limits. Many bishops and priests are afraid to say something negative about their own walk the retaliation of the Neocatechumenal, we know to be targeted and very cruel, ruthless.
But she has had the courage and unfortunately it is paying the consequences.
God bless her, to give glory and give every blessing for his great courage.
Yup, she's really creepy. Her words “put a priest in line” they are disturbing and diabolical.
But who does she think she is? In his previous comment he stated that Don Ariel would be looking for glory, when instead Don Ariel's own words in response to another reader show the opposite. In fact, Don Ariel did not ask for an audience with the Pope to give him his book and hope for who knows what promotions, like many do. Don Ariel is anything but superb. But you neocats. you have trouble understanding it, because you don't know what true humility is.
To the insightful FCSF.
Bravo!
You made your parents happy catechetical! With your intelligent comment you have demonstrated that you have circumcised reason, to be without arguments, incapable of dialogue, with zero rationality and desire to defame the enemy. A typical neocat who always thinks only what his parents demand catechetical.
E’ It's true that you disobeyed the tyrant Sankiko, who banned you from the internet, ma, as ours teaches, the end justifies the means.
If you want to make a career and become from kikatek You too, But, you will have to add lies, insults and always denying the evidence.
And if you want to be perfect, va’, sell all your goods, Donate the proceeds to the poor freeloader Sankiko who ran out of lobsters and then follow yours catechetical and their idiotic orders.
Happy roundabout.
KIKO ARGUELLO TYPE!
I understand that Father Ariel worked before becoming a priest.
And there is certainly no one who brings him coffee and newspapers out of his own pocket every morning.
I and, the national sport within the path and Slander and SPEAK.
You learn that immediately.
Instead, you need to kneel before Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament 30 years and countless catecheses.
BUFFONS
Mr.Massimiliano C. , I have to correct you on the number of Neocatechumenals.
As a practice that has always been known in the formation of Neocatechumenal communities, we are talking about small groups, where for small groups max. is specified 50 people.
The CN communities as stated by Kiko in the meeting in Porto S.Giorgio in September 2019 I'm 21.000.
According to my experience, of ex-neocatechumenal, there are much fewer, but let's assume that they are 21.000.
So doing a quick calculation 21.000 x 50 we have 1 million e 50.000 neocatechumenals all over the world.
This is the maximum possible amount, I remind Mr. Massimiliano that we very rarely have communities of 50 people, I say this because I am a former Neocatechumenal member who was 17 years in “movement” and I know very well the Neocatechumenal reality of a large city like Rome.
I can assure you that the average number of people in the community is around 30 Unit.
So 21,000x 30= 600.000 Unit, number very distant from 1.500.000 which he talks about in his comment.
If possible, check these figures carefully and you will realize your mistake.
LUCA
He never worked a day in his life (cf.. Sao Paulo – those who don't work don't even eat).
He lives on the loose in an apartment on Via di Porta Angelica facing the Vatican.
He doesn't pay bills or taxes.
He is served and revered (cf.. the deceased butler).
He goes on holiday to the villas of his loyalists…..
ARIEL TYPE!!!
Massimiliano: “Kiko did not take a vow of poverty”.
You know what a discovery!
He never worked a day in his life (cf.. St. Paul – he who doesn't work doesn't even eat).
He lives on the loose in an apartment on Via di Porta Angelica facing the Vatican.
He doesn't pay bills or taxes.
He is served and revered (cf.. the deceased butler).
He goes on holiday to the villas of his loyalists.
Travel exclusively first class, sometimes with an orchestra in tow.
He dines on lobsters and smokes only Cuban cigars.
Thousands of daily alms by the barrel 50 Euro (of others, obvious) in contradiction with the evangelical “the right doesn't know….”.
He asks for money for evangelization and then it turns out that he buys land in Israel and apartments in Rome (cf.. Via Lucrino).
Instead, followers are forced to tithe their earnings every month,plus ordinary monthly collections, extraordinary, cohabitations and carry-overs, plus the pressure to sell precious objects and goods in favor of the Camino.
Each neocat pays the equivalent of two months' work per year to the sect.
Sankiko exorciccio instead just collects.
Two weights and two measures.
Massimiliano, because to defend the Path you always use lies?
What is? You've read the latest comments? The contempt for ordained ministers in force within the Neocatechumenal experience? They want to fill the positions of priests and bishops. They feel invested with authority from above. An authority that no one can and must resist. They inculcate that whoever disobeys Kiko disobeys God himself. That through Kiko passes the will of God for each adept. While he never obeyed the Church. Who he thinks he is?
Allow yourself to put i “its” presbyters in a terrible conflict:
“You obey us or the Bishop!”
There are no comments to make. I personally witnessed this Sanhedrin set up, I would like to clarify this, It's Kiko and Carmen, one sitting next to the other…and Father Mario sleeping there.
Pax
Maximilian C. (12 October at 1:38)
You are always the same. Here or on the blog.
No slander.
For many years I have been on the path. Here's the thing about books:
To the I.C. cohabitations. they were brought in boxes. Each leader MUST purchase as many copies as there were brothers in his community. Pay and then take revenge on your brothers.
It was said that everyone had to have their own copy even if it was husband and wife and the same for children.
And we want to talk about all the other kiko/gadget kit? Both for communities and in families for domestic praise and so on! All strictly Kiko branded?
There are photos for the helicopter. You can find them on Osservatorio. For luxury hotels, not only Kiko but also the itinerant on duty and his wife was always reserved suite when they accompanied their communities in the various passages. Even paid, first-class holidays.
How many testimonials do you want?
Far from last place!
Father Ariel does not report hearsay. It has documented testimonies in large numbers. You better calm down, otherwise you will get hurt with this priest!
Finally, the pseudonym is a legitimate choice, but if Kiko makes an effort he understands who we are.
It doesn't suit him…
Bsbbbsn, or how you identify yourself: I'm sorry “kiko band”, who instead of following the Lord follow a do-it-yourself guru, that changed “inspiration” for one's own gain, abandoning i “miserable” of Palomeras to be completely supported by you slaves who now can't see half a meter from your nose.
If you want a holy man to follow, free to choose, but don't come and tell us that all this is Church. The Church has its own structure, wanted by Jesus himself, and in that structure there are precise sacraments through which the true Holy Spirit works in the life of those who by vocation “vera” they feel they are called to the priesthood.
If this doesn't suit you, “kiko band”, follow your lay saint, whose inspiration of the Holy Spirit descended one day in the imaginary vision of the Virgin Mary, never taken into consideration by the Church.
But don't come to be ironic “popular” , you who instead of following the Church of God follow a holy man who makes fun of himself first, and then all of you.
But so be it, as long as there are chickens of the “kiko band” who idolize him….
I add that from “Gospel of the miserable” to the luxury life that Kiko lives today, A lot of water has flowed under the bridge… E’ the total denial of wanting to live as a poor man among the poor.
The tributes with which you honor Kiko you subordinate walkers, they are clear evidence that you consider him a star, an idol.
In fact, sacrifices are made for idols, also economical in your case and, instead of allowing a dignified life to many people who have no means of living, spend your money to make your idol live in luxury, because ultimately, it is to him that they go, both for the pharaonic buildings it has “invented”, both for the standard of living that he evidently likes to lead, otherwise he would choose differently.
This is about how you choose to live, not what the pieces of paper attribute to you.
And he, in defiance of you workers, pensioners, large families who tighten their belts every day, he chose to live like a nabob.
But how can you not notice it???
Bring it back to Palomeras Altas and you'll see how long it lasts… Certainly less than it lasted at the time, and it was already a little.
You are yet another demonstration of mental clouding.
Ma, my dear Massimiliano, how can you not see that the “nothing Lieutenant Kiko” instead he is the owner “de facto” of his entire empire?
It doesn't matter what is written on the paper, What counts is the use that can be made of things.
Who cares if the pharaonic Domus, la Domus Mamre, the beyond 120 seminars around the world… are not “registered” to Kiko but to the Foundation or the Dioceses? What a difference it makes?
Kiko uses them as his own whenever and as much as he wants, it practically has a place in every part of the world, he disposes of them at will, directs them and develops their rules, he practically has the”usufruct” of everything the CNC has, even if there isn't a piece of paper attributing it to him.
You can take free holidays in beautiful villas “siblings” subject to him and, for the “good heart” of these people afford a nabob's life.
What matters is how you live, not the absence of pieces of paper that demonstrates the “nothingness”
Go and tell the boy I host at my house what it really means to be “propertyless and homeless” and he can explain it to you.
Response to the response of 2.19
I answered everything he asked me, although I don't think I'm under scrutiny. On the scrutiny of priests, on Kiko's book which according to her was forcibly sold in the communities etc. But above all I responded to all the slander I read about Kiko's life. I explained to her the reasons why what she said was slander. Because it's not true, because kiko is nothing lieutenant, he doesn't have a driving licence, not a car, not a salary, not a house. He lives on what he is given, but above all HE IS NOT AFRAID OF VANITY IF IT IS USED TO DO GOOD. If they invite him to get an HC degree and take him by helicopter, he doesn't make any unnecessary fuss. So they go and get it with the 500. So you can't prove anything about what you said, there are no books bought by force (it's your guess), Kiko doesn't live the good life like she said, he lives off what he is given and so technically what he said is defamation. Point. Admit it and let's end it here.
Massimiliano Conti
I have now seen the response from 2:07. Caro father, his answers are identical to those of all the free type haters, pax, jubilation and singing company. Various, many priests, legs up, all evasive, not demonstrable. Not a name, not an article other than those of the blog that competes with Mickey Mouse for credibility. Not a complaint, possible that among all these myriads and myriads of priests and bishops, no one bangs their fists on the table and reports what happens in a newspaper? But you are so naive that you don't ask why? Or maybe it will be some isolated case, if not unique that haters try to make it become “miriadi at miriadi”? She's too smart not to have wondered that… Or not, like all haters he tries to magnify and destroy just out of hate.
Massimiliano Conti
Not even the Roman Pontiff, it is linked to the vow of poverty, do you think: owns an entire state, of which he is absolute sovereign, i.e. owner.
Not even us priests, we are tied to no vow of poverty, they are the friars of the mendicant orders and other religious ones, not us.
But most of all:
I'm not the one who clings to mirrors.
I'm not the one who raises other questions to evade answers;
It's not me who doesn't respond.
The slanders, they are those who his lovable brothers, having no response arguments, they are throwing me around on all the blogs.
What I say about you, I can prove it and I have proved it, what you say about me instead, they are inventions, denigration and even slander.
You are unreasonably and irrationally grotesque, to accuse me of slander, that for days and days I have been bullied with shit by all his sectarians around the internet.
But I have already implicitly answered you! Kiko is not an ecclesiastic, much less the Pope, he is a catechist and therefore is not bound by vows of poverty. So what is he talking about? He is scrambling to justify his slander and defamation. He is not afraid of the judgment of others, perhaps because she doesn't judge them like her father does.
Massimiliano Conti
… what if I put her in front of several priests who had fled the Neocatechumenal Way like hell, and to various seminarians who also fled, who testified to their respective bishops that during public ballots they were asked by lay mega-catechists whether they masturbated or had relationships with women, what does she do, he replies by saying that they are all liars?
This was repeated several times, with prurient delight on the part of several scrutinizing mega-catechists, that in the end the bishops in Spain got angry directly with Kiko and Carmen, coming to know these things.
inform.
Then tell us that the Spanish bishops are all liars too, along with their priests who reported similar things.
Everyone, strictly all lying, slanderers and haters of the greatest gift given by the Holy Spirit to the Church: the Neocatechumenal Way.
She has the chatter, I do the tests.
… answer the question.
I asked her: how to react, faced with certain offers, the reigning Pontiff?
Answer.
It's not about investigating his conscience, it is enough just to see how he lives and how he demands that other ecclesiastics also live.
Because you dear father, he is afraid of people's judgment which is the same as his judgment. When you see someone get off a helicopter, you judge them, so you try to avoid them so as not to fall into your own judgement. Those who are not afraid of judgment get on one 500 or on a Ferrari with the same soul. Kiko is not the Holy Father, he is not the representative of Christ. He is a catechist.
Massimiliano Conti
father ariel, which makes the conversation go astray again when she doesn't like it? But perhaps if he does he realizes the slander and defamation he has written and needs an escape route. And that's fine, let's no longer talk about the defamations he perpetrated. As for the ballots, she should know that in the catechumenate, as well as in the neo-catechumenate (it was Paul VI himself who put them on the same level with the famous speech: you do it later [the catechumenate] before or after doesn't matter), the steps are interspersed with ballots and whoever decides to join the catechumenate or the Neocatechumenate takes these steps and also the ballots. As for the priests who may be part of the community, they are absolutely volunteers. I witnessed 2 ballots of presbyters, one of which is the elderly parish priest, who were asked if they wanted to take the ballot. I thank God that they accepted, because especially that of the parish priest was the most beautiful I have ever witnessed. A declaration of love to God that gives you goosebumps. I can't describe in words what he gave to the whole community. An edification in faith for all.
Massimiliano Conti
Now I will instead respond on the merits of the other questions, starting by saying:
1. if someone picked him up in a Rolls Royce;
2. if they picked him up on a private business class plane;
3. if they set up an extra luxury suite for him;
4. if they served him white truffles from Alba during meals, Russian caviar and lobsters;
5. etc … etc …
you have the faintest idea of how badly the Supreme Pontiff Francis would react?
I knew the good life before becoming a priest, I can tell you instead:
1. if they invite me to an ultra-luxury gourmet restaurant I avoid going there, although I frequented them in my previous life;
2. if they invite me to stay in an ultra-luxury hotel, how it happened, I refuse, because who should see me, he doesn't know that I have been hosted by people who love me so much, if anything by the director of the hotel company himself who wanted me to stay in his five-star superior category hotel;
3. if they offered me certain means of transport, I would avoid them for the same reasons listed above.
But I'm not the “by no means” Kiko, who directly or through his people has received the ready and packaged excuse to be sold for use.
… and before speaking to a confessor, could you point me to a mega-catechist who can scrutinize me?
I'm willing to repeat, with the scrutinizing mega-catechist, the colonoscopy I had on 21 September, because having had a father and grandfather who died from colon cancer, they recommended that I do it for a purely preventative-precautionary purpose.
Because this is it, what your scrutinizing mega-catechists do: at colonoscopy.
And they don't even do it in private, beyond a grate, but in public, before all, including priests.
And now say that's not true.
Dare to say that it is not true that lay mega-catechists even scrutinize priests, that if I feel like it, I'll publish a secretly filmed video of the ballots directly on The Island of Patmos, at the cost of getting sued for invasion of privacy.
But please…..here is the clerical band!!!
Take it
My dear Massimiliano, I wanted to indulge you in your base accusations, I would sign myself Genoveffa Brancaleone, a fictional name, but still name and surname.
I reject any attempt to pass me off to the sender, like others who have been on the Neocatechumenal Way all their lives (35 year old, of which 25 as a catechist with knowledge of the mamotreti “secrets”, as well as with the last boutade stage of the “spiritual marriage”, done), as slanderers. So, what I say, personally, it's because I KNOW.
The Statute was mandatory for every individual: My husband and I had to buy some 2, one by one.
As for the booklets, there was a campaign to purchase that, the way things are going in there, is equivalent to a moral obligation. Always obedience to every breath that comes out of the catechists' mouths.
You've broken up a bit’ the boxes with this of defamation and slander, only false pretext to refute your REALITY.
We exes, as well as having suffered when we were inside, if we declare what we have experienced and seen now that we are outside, we are equally attached in the same way as people “not credible”. Then it's a vice…
He made the joke
Very expensive, it is also a slander that Kiko gives EVERY MORNING 50 euro to the first homeless person he sees? He said it himself! What does he do, and self-slander?
Given the “lives in Franciscan poverty” these 50 euros where does he get them from?
She knows something about it?
He is absolutely right. From now on, like Libera, I will call her Father Ariel. Thanks for everything.
Pax
So before telling slander, should know that Kiko being nothing lieutenant, exactly like her, but maybe not, because she probably has a car, when invited around, for speeches, cohabitations, collect an hc degree around the world, not even having the car that you probably have, travel, room and board are the responsibility of the inviter, precisely because he has nothing. He is a guest and if he is invited to a restaurant he goes, as well as flying. If they pay him first class he goes to first class, otherwise…now give yourself peace, because for a priest to spend his days slandering and defaming people is not nice. Talk about it with your confessor.
Massimiliano Conti
this slander, as well as that of helicopters, luxury hotels etc... he certainly didn't read it in theology books
No, I certainly didn't read it in theology books, but it is all demonstrated and documented: hotel by hotel, restaurant for restaurant, business class travel, use of helicopters and if necessary piper private.
Kiko and Carmen have always lived a life of luxury.
Kiko staying in five-star hotel suites is not a slander, it is a fact, for which others have paid. And these are not called slander, they are called facts.
I, on the other hand, was born and lived in comfort, I left every comfort to become a priest.
father ariel, she changed the subject. In many posts he repeated the SLANDER, that Kiko's book was force-sold in the communities. You will probably also have researched important texts, but this slander, as well as that of helicopters, luxury hotels etc… he certainly didn't read it in theology books, but on the blog, where anonymous without scruples, who have nothing to lose, precisely because they are hidden behind a battle name, they defame and slander the Neocatechumenal Way and its initiator from morning to night. And he repeated these slanders several times. I'm certainly not the one who needs to remember them except for a Christian, slandering is a sin, even more so if the person doing it is a shepherd. Now please don't ramble again, rest on the slander he told, because if these are told by “people” who call themselves “riot”, pax, Freeing Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck is one thing, but she tells them, with his name, surname and family have another weight.
Massimiliano Conti
But she really doesn't understand that from comment to comment she is exposing herself to public ridicule?
I tell you this as a philosopher with a thirty-year academic career behind him: she continues to claim that she hasn't read a book because the title alone is enough to affirm that it contains a mass of nonsense.
She doesn't simply disdain logic, she insults the human being as a thinking being, demonstrating that the prerequisite for adhering to his movement is the total annulment of reason.
Unfortunately I am not a believer, However, I am a scholar of Anselm of Aosta, Thomas Aquinas and the great scholastics, many of whom are saints and doctors of the church for you. Well know: with his reasoning, from the first to the last he is insulting them all.
Just so: you insult the entire history of the church, which contains within it the greatest masters of logic of all time, to which they referred, for the next thousand years, both philosophers and jurists.
… I bought Kiko's book instead, Bed, studied and then analyzed, that like other texts.
And he knows why?
Because from first to last, the nonsense and heresies of Kiko and his catecheses, I could support them as such with precision and knowledge of the facts before the International Theological Commission, without being able to be denied. her instead, the alleged ones “piffle” of my book which he repeatedly claimed not to have read, as he says there is no need to read it, he could never prove them, because it is precisely a book that, by his own and repeated admission, she didn't read, but which despite this has been accused of being a repository of nonsense.
That's how it works, in the world of scholars, that's how it works, in the world of emotional lunatics belonging to a sect that requires the renunciation of reason and critical sense as its first prerequisite, consequently to faith, because if there is no reason and critical sense, there can be no faith, I don't say it: the Holy Fathers and Doctors of the Church teach it, the ones that Kiko and Carmen have never studied, I don't say it, decades of their catechesis prove this, from the first to the last orientations given to catechists.
I am a serious theologian, books, I don't write them “documentandomi” on blogs, but based on official acts and documents of the Holy See, the ones you can't read, or from which you are able to take, from a pontifical speech, a five-second sentence to scream “We are approved, we approved!”, after in the remaining twenty-five minutes of speech Benedict XVI made you black and Francis I even blacker than his predecessor. E’ written in the documents, in official speeches, they are called By Janet, they're not called blogs.
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
father ariel, excuse me, but the nonsense about Kiko's book that everyone was forced to buy is part of the nonsense told in his book? I told her not to trust so much the slander told in the blog… However, I can assure you that unfortunately Kiko's book, I've never had kerygma, I've never read it and I've never felt the stupidity of the book I bought out of necessity, all invented to discredit the path. And she took the bait.
Kind regards
Massimiliano Conti
Pax face,
please, absolutely don't worry.
Although I confess that I have always preferred to be called “dad”, because I consider the priesthood linked to a specific thing, specific and singular exercise of universal paternity, while “don” is the Italianized abbreviation of “dominus”, still used today as a form of respect even towards secular people. Me too, in certain areas of Italy, in times when I thought about everything except becoming a priest one day, as a sign of respect they called me “don”.
Correct the mistakes:
I have to apologize because at the beginning of my comment I wanted to write: “dearest Don Ariel” and I jumped “don”
I write on my cell phone with some difficulty, I can't always do it on the computer. I care a lot about this clarification, even if the mistake could be understood, since I had never allowed myself to address the Priest by calling him only by name.
Even more so since in the Neocatechumenal Way it is common practice to only address each other on a first-name basis, even with the most involved Bishops, as Kiko and Carmen did by setting an example. In my opinion this practice is artfully established to remove all dignity and eliminate the respect due to ordained ministers, equalize relationships e, seeing as what priests also have to do, if they accept the path, the path like all the others – including ballots conducted by kikatechisti Lay – it is clear how they are reduced over time, let's say so, to the minimum terms. It's all a studied strategy, the hierarchy in the journey is entirely secular for the famous “along the lines of the initiators”: a whole program.
From this to the terrible and destabilizing question addressed like a mantra to the seminarians and priests of the teams “do you obey us or the Bishop” … the step is short!
Pax
All this gives me immense pleasure, dearest Ariel, and I think it's just the beginning.
Someone placed his book alongside it, as a sales flop, to that of Lino Lista. We could add the writings of Father Zoffoli, soon disappeared from circulation.
The holy Neocatechumens in bad faith have boycotted in every way the diffusion of these books, obviously. The Camino being a real regime, in its inconsistency, he fears being unmasked by the Truth and deflating himself leaving Nothingness behind.
Lino Lista saw all the copies put up for sale disappear in Rome, because they were taken over by Catholic bookshops and made to disappear, guess by who? They have come this far! Lino, after this authentic raid, he could no longer find anyone to publish his book for him, except the small publishing house “Sign”. Ma he “Mud and the Secret” even today it is a thorn in the side of the monster path that continues its great mission.
Father Zoffoli is also impossible to find, of always.
She, dearest Don Ariel, for us exes it is a gift from heaven. After many years of silence, with his precious work he relaunches an explicit denunciation, detailed, scientific and authoritative. You publish the book yourself, It is always available on the internet.
Now what can they do?
They just have to gnaw away, since they have no intention of repenting and taking the path of conversion, for the salvation of their souls. The only sacrosanct thing they should do and also without delaying too much!
Time has now become short! But they hardened. Yet they know the story of Pharaoh by heart, shame on them.
They will see how many copies of his book on the Sect of Kiko the Heretic will sell, in freedom and without constraint.
Let's give time to time.
It will be torment for them (it already is) and burning coals on his head.
This is what he says, father ariel, I am very pleased, means that the message “raisin”. This is important.
What I wanted to say to the gentlemen above, Anyway, was that they are always measuring things in terms of successes, it is no coincidence that they always flaunt them from the rooftops, often inflating its scope. E’ their method.
I'm not an expert, nor am I interested in publishing, but what you say makes me very happy.
As I said, I read your book in one sitting and..., as well as finding many situations and circumstances sadly known to me, I appreciated the competence with which he explained certain things “impasse” on which the Neocatechumenal Way has always played a lot, between black and white.
For me the challenge today is to be able to make my children read it one day too, conditioned by the Neocatechumenal mentality, I put myself in their clutches.
They told me they will, but I will be happier when “they will have already done it”, reading what you wrote is worth more than a thousand words of mine, because the Church speaks.
Thank you.
I'M SORRY FOR THE PASSIONARIES, BUT MY BOOK HAS SOLD AND IS SELLING
Cara Always a free mind,
I'm sure you'll be doing something truly appreciated, I inform you and those who read it that my book, just 20 days from release, he sold 411 copies on the Italian market.
Add to this that, although it has not yet been translated into other languages, sold a total of 31 copies in Germany, England, France, Spain and the United States of America.
Anyone who knows the Italian publishing world can confirm that there are books by authors published by the publishing giants Mondadori and Rizzoli that are unable to sell 250 copies in six months.
For Mondadori and Rizzoli, if a book manages to sell at least 250 copies in six months, it is considered a text that had a good editorial outcome.
This is the reality of the Italian publishing world, any expert and employee in the sector can explain and confirm it.
Therefore, my book, despite being, like all our publications, a book “niche”, in reality it was more than successful, for Italian editorial standards. Indeed, when it came out, I said to my collaborators: “We hope to be able to sell 200 copies in three months”.
Between Italy and other foreign countries, instead, some were sold 442 in just 20 days.
The Spanish translation will be ready in January.
That's all, tried and proven. Ask any publishing expert to know whether the book was successful or not.
As for selling copies of Father Ariel's book, to which you basely attach yourself to demonstrate your smoking, I have to tell you, dear sirs, that even a child can understand that it is a book by “niche”.
It is not and was not born as a best seller for sale, you who know how to think only in terms of “success”.
Nobody cares about the Neocatechumenal Way, millions of people don't even know it exists, it only interests you, to us who escaped the muddy quagmire by the pure grace of God and to those employed in the sector who are faithful to the Church.
The catchment area is itself reduced a priori, no intention of “crack the market”, which is instead what always guides you Neocatechumenals in yours merchandising religious.
Evaluate such a book in terms of sales, which I purchased and read in one sitting, appreciating it very much, it only shows intellectual poverty, human and spiritual that rages in your rooms.
Nice stuff forcing people to individually buy every single piece written by the guru, to show success and steal money…
Now, se volete, you can go and make a payment to the Foundation for the …
In response to Massimiliano and Tortora (“at the” it's not a mistake), that require FACTS, I could mention many of those pseudo religious associations with many beautiful charismatic gurus who have produced FACTS:
SCIENTOLOGY it has millions of followers, many properties, an internal system, a charismatic leader, its own creed and is widespread everywhere. In Spain, where they recognize everything to everyone, it is also recognized as a religious entity. But it's a sect.
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES same thing.
PEOPLE'S TEMPLE, which even led to mass suicide in “obedience” to the charismatic holy man.
All of these, few examples, they are full of FACTS but, as you know, facts mean nothing if they are the result of psychological coercion and not free choice in obedience to the Church and NOT to improvised lay catechists.
Even in the last one course start meeting, they always hit the button on “mission”, because if you go on a mission or become a priest you are more chosen than the chosen.
In the Neocatechumenal Way we are dealing with induced FACTS, not spontaneous, like the stands at vocational gatherings: emotionality, euphoria, delirium…
A FACT is also that you need to cut back on seminars mother of The Redeemer.
Can you explain why?
…Sometimes I imagine Cristina Campo “converse” with Carmen Hernandez: a meeting between matter and antimatter with all the consequences of the case
Fair Enough, let's talk about FACTS.
Where do we start?
– From the fact that you don't even know the difference between a mortal sin and a venial sin?
– From the fact that for you charity means giving the tithe FIRST (tenth never mentioned in the statutes) then, PERHAPS, all the rest?
– From the fact that confession is just a list of sins because, you are, the spiritual direction is done by the catechists?
– From the fact that for 10 years with the tube that teaches you the Rosary because “you wouldn't understand it”?
– From the fact that you even tried to cheat Pope Benedict into approving the “litugia”?
– From the fact that every time they tell you that the Easter Vigil must not be held separately, you even change dioceses just to do it as YOU say, hidden in some hotel room?
From the fact that Kiko Arguello PUBLICLY defended a pedophile just because he is Neocatechumenal?
P.S. I don't think he ever recanted. I am not aware that ANY NEOCATECUMENTAL has ever denied this. He wants to be first?
– From the fact that no one like the Neocatechumenals is vulgar and angry when faced with things and people to whom he CANNOT, HE DOESN'T WANT TO, CAN'T answer?
P.S. Save yourself the insults.
do yourself a favor.
… and not only, one copy for each family unit, but one copy for each member of the same family.
Add to this the grotesque element of those who write inviting me to look for a job: and the star Kiko, in his life, what work he did? What is his standard of living? How many times did he move using helicopters or small private planes? Smell, in which luxury hotels did he stay with his super-hyper-mega-catechists and at which of the most expensive restaurants in the capital did he go for dinner?
I'll tell You, to those who invited me to look for a job, at the expense of those who their false prophet and bad teacher did this and more, with rare and ostentatious megalomania: at the expense of the sectarian fools who pay tithes.
Kiko had been looking for it, a job …
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
Mi tip, dearest Massimiliano, how many copies of his would Kiko Arguello have sold “books” if he hadn't kindly forced you, through catechists and leaders, to buy a copy?
… another valuable criticism from another exalted sectarian, aggressive and insulting who has no arguments, who hasn't read the book and who, based on what he hasn't read and doesn't know, fires machine gun bursts.
Here is the difference between a Catholic animated by Faith and Reason, and an adherent of a para-Catholic sect.
Ah, please … forget the tirade about Saint John Paul II who “approved us, approved us, approved us”, When de facto, the very essence of the Neocatechumenal Way, it is denied precisely by the magisterium of this Pontiff, starting above all from his Encyclical Fides e Ratio, dear Tortora Uccel di Bosco Viendalmonte.
In fact, taking away people's reason and the exercise of critical sense to replace it with irrational emotion as your gurus did with you, it's a crime, it's a crime, it's a crime!
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
Caro Ariel S. Levi by Gualdo Serbelloni Garzanti Viendalmare, I think you should stop mentioning the inconsistency of the ” Things” of the journey and look at the FACTS!
Ours are DONE! Not mental elugybraions.
In fact, write 350 pages full of insults is a sport ( in my opinion for do-nothings) which many people do today and even with very poor results.
The funny thing is that those who write against the path inevitably end up speaking BADLY about the Pope or Popes….oohhhps…..caught!!!
there, I think he wasted enough characters on her.
Best wishes and…you find a beautiful one, most holy, and very sweaty…WORK!
Giuseppe
We could talk to her endlessly, giving her all the space she wants to shoot herself in the foot.
But she, truly, would he feel like entering the great hall of a university and, in front of speakers who are internationally renowned scholars, affirm that there is no need to read Nietzsche's works to criticize him and dismiss him irrevocably, because the only title of one of his books “The Antichrist”, enough and more to judge – using his precise words – “all the nonsense that is contained within”?
Lo to, “butter”, after all, what are you??
The exaltation of the most ignorant arrogance driven by pride, that's what you are.
And if as you say “ben 5 papi” have referred to yours in various special speeches “good fruits”, this does not bind me to any adherence to faith: right me, nor any bishop nor any presbyter.
If you make a right, even if reason requires that exercise of critical sense of which you are totally devoid.
Finally I ask her, or excellent intellectual: do you have any idea how much Romano Guardini's books sold in Italy? I'll tell you, not even a few dozen copies. So, that of Romano Guardini, It's rubbish theology, vero? I, on the other hand, sell a few hundred, I should perhaps define myself as … highest level, or perhaps more reliable and theologically reliable?
Such a crazy statement wouldn't cross my mind even if I were given hard drugs that devastate the brain.
But if you want I'll tell you more: on the square, the majority, he shouted “Jesus” or shouted “Barabbas”?
God bless her, she needs to actually convert to Catholicism, if he wants it.
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
Dad, it is the title itself that leaves no doubt. Even the most critical of the Neocatechumenal path, knowing his 50 years of history, Ben's appreciation 5 Papi, the fruits of families on mission, families who joyfully welcome the children that God sends, the seminars scattered throughout the most remote parts of the world, after reading such a title he brands it for what it is. A book for haters.
Nb, and meanwhile as we speak he has already dropped to the position 17000 and broken!
Massimiliano Conti
Listen.. hear, dear Readers!
The model Neocatechumenal declares that to dismiss a book it is not necessary to read it, to say that it is a repository of nonsense you just need to read the title.
If anyone had doubts who we are dealing with, can draw all your own conclusions.
If I went back, I would write again all the more, a thousand more times there “Neocatechumenal Seven”.
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
Don't be naive dear Father, many do “they nip”, as she says, because the title itself promises to be a repository of nonsense and offends hundreds of thousands of people who have returned to the church through the Neocatechumenal Way.
There is no need to buy it and the numbers that appear on the Amazon website relentlessly demonstrate this.
Massimiliano Conti.
… but look, look … like a Neocatechumenal with three extra marches, a special gift of the Holy Spirit, he shoots himself in the foot!
So, According to him, this book is not sold, it has not been read?
And if you haven't read it, tell me, oh my dear scientist: why so many people pan it relentlessly without having read it?
E’ Maybe it was “Holy Spirit” kikiano to instill full knowledge of the contents, without even leafing through the book?
Massimiliano Conti, she is truly a genius, truly a genius!
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
A book that in addition to being a copy/paste, no one buys, given that within a few days of its release, already covers the “prestigious” position 13962 in the Amazon Best Seller list. A few more days and it will finally reach the position held by the linen book listed in the same category, namely the 230098!
Dear father Ariel, perhaps he would have been better off taking care of the ministry he is paid to do.
Kind regards
Massimiliano Conti
… Here's another one in series order!
It would be wonderful to put her together with me in front of an audience made up mostly of theologians, first check whether he has read the book that is claimed to be copied – from where? – and then check what she knows about it, of theology.
We could start from the great foundations of the metaphysics of the Holy Doctors of the Church and hear what you have to tell us in this regard.
It will be hilarious, hear her answer questions about the theology of the incarnation of the Word, with a nursery rhyme from some mega-catechist emissary of Arguello's personal Holy Spirit.
Don't deprive us of this delight: Let's organize the meeting as soon as possible.
Ridiculous following ridiculous, without any common sense of the ridiculous, of measurement and reality!
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
315 pages that ( as well as being copied) they have no theological foundation
Thanks Pax.
I take this opportunity to repeat that about my book and about me as its author, insults have been hurled around the internet, sometimes truly terrible. A few days ago I intervened on a Facebook page where a teacher invited to the Theological Faculty of Southern Italy treated me in an aggressive and insulting way, without her and the other interlocutors answering a very simple question that I repeated several times, this: ” … but she/but you, the 315 pages of my book, you have read them?”.
It is useless to dwell on the gravity of the fact that a self-styled theologian and teacher should not dare to publicly address in such a hateful way even towards the worst priest in this world, making a deadly rant without having read a single line of his book. It is no coincidence that I replied to her that if I had been her diocesan ordinary I would have immediately withdrawn her license for theological teaching, because there are still limits that cannot and must not be exceeded. He is a person who manifests himself and behaves in this way, it certainly shouldn't be put in the chair.
To these people, instead, Any limit can be exceeded, in the most total and de-virilized impotence of an ecclesiastical authority now devoid of attributes.
I'm not really a “former provincial boy”. At the time I traveled around Europe, studied in large universities in Italy and abroad, I lived for a period of time in the United States of America, for another period of time in Germany, etc … Yet ever, elsewhere, I've met people steeped in that arrogance, alas, all Italian, which leads them to discuss what they don't know, on what they have not studied, about what they haven't read at all.
But I can tell you more: a Spanish Neocatechumenal, before launching into trashing my work, he would take it and read it, because the Spaniard has that sense of honor and dignity that leads him to shy away from certain perfect figures Italian Boeotian; and it certainly cannot be said that the Spaniards do not have fiery and sanguine temperaments.
In short: the Italianness of’Italiot it is a disease aggravated by the fact that through the internet, even the least idiot who has seen a science fiction film feels entitled to get up in the chair and scream from behind the screen “asshole!” to a Nobel Prize for Physics, saying that things are not as he says.
… but what kind of job does he do?, the one who shouts at the Nobel Prize winning physicist after watching a science fiction film “asshole!”? If we go and see, we discover that he hasn't even finished high school and jumps in an unsuitable way from one job to another., but he understands everything and discusses everything – your internet! -, preferably calling specialists especially incompetent.
This is the reality.
What is my book built on, accused by yet another neocat non-reader of being a copy&paste?
Soon said:
1. on official documents;
2. on the exchanges that took place over the course of twenty years between the representatives of the Holy See and the Neocatechumenal Way;
3. on the archive documents I was able to access at the Holy See, in particular those of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments;
4. on long conversations had with high prelates who were direct protagonists of this affair;
5. on long conversations with Apostolic Nuncios of the Holy See who in various corners of the world often had to juggle with enormous difficulties between the furious local episcopate, the Neocatechumenals who created enormous problems in those local Churches, the Holy See to which detailed reports were sent, protests and petitions from local bishops who did not want the “neocatechumenalizing missionaries”, because wherever they arrived there were problems, ruptures and quarrels between ecclesial communities;
and finally:
6. I was also able to examine accurate and concerned reports written by eminent ecclesiologists and theologians and personally delivered by hand by two heads of dicastery directly to John Paul II, who esteemed these scholars so much that he repeatedly turned to them during the preparation of his most delicate encyclicals.
7. etc … etc …
Touching the Neocatechumenal Way, I really touched that kind of blind squalor, irrational, emotional and aggressive than ever, sincerely, I had touched before.
May God forgive those who allowed this cancer to develop within the Church, which was already seriously devastated at the time of their debut.
Unfortunately, the hundreds of comments posted by sectarians on the three articles dedicated by L'Isola di Patmos to the debate on the Noahidecumenals, are characterized by:
1. blind unreasonableness;
2. lack of critical sense;
4. inability to debate but only to attack with laughable arguments;
5. disturbing lack of knowledge of the Catechism of the Catholic Church;
6. a totally distorted vision of ecclesiology and the path of Christian faith;
7. stubbornness in not answering, to evade the arguments and to raise other questions in response every time he is presented with objective data to which he can reply on the merits;
8. obstinate and obstinate adulteration of objective data, of the documents of the Holy See, of the speeches of the Supreme Pontiffs, etc …
These hundreds of comments, they are not the result of outbursts of anger and insulting spirit on the part of some so-called “loose dogs”, they are unfortunately the paradigm of the sad objective reality of an intra-ecclesiastical sect.
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
Dear Carlo, you realize how you speak?
You mention Magister and Don Ariel so ask yourself some questions.
Butter, trained to be parrots all your life, since you are forbidden to THINK and REASON and DEEPEN: those among you who are catechists must only REPEAT the catecheses faithfully and slavishly, exactly as Kiko makes them, the only inspired prophet of all your playful caravanserai.
Maybe you want to teach me? That I lived in there for many years and knew all these things from direct experience? And you accuse of “copy&paste” spend?
In the end, if you really are convinced that you don't know how to do anything other than a “copy&paste”, well I tell you that even copying and pasting well can be an art that is not for everyone; it's still, if that's not enough for you, se pure don Ariel “copy&paste”, somewhere he will have copied all the material with which to fill an entire book … and the rest is yet to come.
Greetings and stay calm.
Pax
I also congratulate you very much, especially if you explain this to me: How come, The Popes, they did not appoint San Leopoldo Mandic and San Pio da Pietrelcina as major penitentiaries of the Apostolic Penitentiary? Or Saint Edith Stein “consultrice” of the Congregation for Catholic Education?
there, try to give yourself an answer, then he will find out for himself, the sensational newly catechized that he just wrote.
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
I wanted to warmly congratulate you on the veracity of the blog…..
Between Magister and Ariel they compete to see who can say the biggest stupid things…an example: contrary to what Magister wrote, the Pope named Ascension, member of the team responsible for the Camino, consultant to the Dicastery of Laity, Family and Life……
I don't think he mentioned Ariel or any other copy theologian&glue like him….or not?????
@ Tshs
But how, are you neocatechumenal or “sympathizer” and you don't know how many Neocatechumenal links exist?
Here are some, but just a little taste…
Of course they are means obscured for privacy:
Postal current account: n. 2..9….00.. – Payable to: Mother of the Redeemer Diocesan College
Pax-Bank of Colonia IBAN: DE2.. 3….6 0..3 00..2 4090 1.. BIC: GE..DED1P..X
BANK: Cred. Coop. MEDIOCRATS – PAOLA (CS) WERE GOING: IT 3.. D 0….62 80….0 00000010….40
And so on for each of the more than 100 Redemptoris Mater of the Neocatechumenal Way, just to give a few small examples…
Not to mention the donations for the museum foundation in honor of Kiko, by the Domus Jerusalem Foundation…
Just go to the relevant ed sites… hello!
Lots of links.
WHICH BEAM???? (ha ha ha ha….)
A: How to recognize neocats?
B: From their typical language.
A- And what is their typical language?
B- Imbecile… hypocrite… go to hell… asshole…
Imbecile…..hypocritical to me???
Go to hell and remove the donation link, asshole
The Neocatechumenals should also put the link for donations like you…
Ha ha haaaa
BEAM IN THE EYE!!!!
How right he is to say everything he has already said, both in his books and in his very kind comments, dear father Ariel! How much courage and joy to follow the true Lord of souls, our Precious Jesus Christ, gives us his courageous and truthful testimony of the single Gospel! With joy in my heart I thank you! Jesus Christ be praised!
You're very right about neocats! Their comments give credence to Father Ariel, it is not possible to express such poisoned feelings towards a priest of the Church of Christ! They behave like good heretics ????
You really have a straw! When it comes to money, think badly, It's clear you know a lot. Those who ask with simplicity and freedom have nothing to hide and it takes more humility to ask than to give. Read carefully: Don Ariel also explained that his family of origin is wealthy and therefore, to live well, he doesn't need to ask for alms.
Rather coming back to you: then it is true that there is an obligation to tithe for all those who want to make the journey? Even if there is not even a hint in the Statute of this unavoidable duty of the Neocatechumens?
Pax
…St. Caterina da Siena, to name another, Santa and Doctor of the Church, she gave all of herself for the Church and spoke clearly to the Popes on behalf of the Lord Jesus her Husband and told them how they should behave, without fear and with great courage return to Rome from exile in Avignon. This, anyhow, it is the attitude of the true son of the Church, of those who love it and love the Holy Father as “sweet Christ on earth” (as Caterina called him) “Servant of the servants of God”. Read the letters of Saint Catherine, true great saint, not like the “superior category saint” like Kiko foolishly, like someone who doesn't know what he's saying, defines Carmen Hernandez.
The truth is that you flatter the Pope in front, this is true, but I know well in the exclusive coexistence of itinerants how you talk about the Pope and a good part of the Cardinals, false and hypocritical! Try telling the truth to your face. Instead of nodding and then disobeying without any qualms of conscience. Yes, you are good! There's no vomiting on anyone here, much less about the Pope. Maybe he would read what we write! Calm, we would tell him, having the opportunity, the same things. We're not like you!
Pax
Claudio's phrase is in perfect Neocatechumenal style: to save themselves and justify themselves from a proven accusation, one responds by accusing the other.
Even children do this, when their mother scolds them and to shake off their responsibilities they accuse a brother: “But so does he…”
E’ It is impossible to find a single mature person among the Neocatechumenals, responsible and humble who admits mistakes. They always have to respond by accusing the other.
E’ as perfect ignorant people, they point the finger at a practice used by every self-sustaining magazine or association, when over one hundred Redemptoris Mater seminaries dedicate entire pages to donations and even hold gala receptions for fundraising. The comparison between a single journal and a systematic and extremely extensive modality does not hold up, yet the Neocatechumenal mind gives birth to it.
Not counting tithes, which personally bled me dry, the continuous collections for seminarians, for itinerants, for the Domus, the use of “adopt a seminar” by communities to support him or “adopt” of missions…
The Neocatechumenals know more than the devil about how to extract money from people.
Caro Paolocateti,
you have the faintest idea of how many Saints and doctors of the Church, in a very severe tone, they directed harsh criticism at the Supreme Pontiffs?
If she didn't just stick to tall tales neokatekike and seriously studied Catholic doctrine and the history of the Church, he would be aware of this.
I'll mention just one of many – because there are many – : Bernard of Clairvaux, A saint and Doctor of the Church, author of the pamphlet Treaty good for every Pope written for Eugene III.
We could add a very long list: Bonaventure of Bagnoregio, A saint and Doctor of the Church, San Pier Damiani …
Ah, I forgot that for you there is only one saint: Saint John Paul II, elevated to the honors of the altars precisely for having approved ad experimentum the Neocatechumenal Way in 2002, all the others are irrelevant …
You're there or you're doing it?
Nobody forces you to buy anything,
You MUST GIVE the tithe instead. There are no excuses.
Then, dear Claudio, They didn't let you buy copies of the statute (one for each family member)? Kiko's books didn't make you buy them? E’ It was your free choice by chance?
And then you come here to say certain things?
You are beggars. In the soul.
She, on the other hand, is being such a hypocrite in the most perfect style neocatechiko.
Find me a page, a rigo, a single word in which he obliges himself, under penalty of threats and psychological coercion of all kinds, to pay us money, style Neocatechumenal catechists who collect the obligatory tithes.
We invite those who wish to support our work, without any obligations whatsoever.
Hypocritical!
Be very difficult about tithing and the page opens with a nice payment link…..
Continuation? Where it is written that we have to answer to an imbecile like you?
If you reply to me I will answer your questions
Holy water vomiting on the Pope????
hmmmmm…….
Dear Angel,
if we make a compliment (very deserved!) to Father Ariel, I do not think we can be accused of partisanship, because they follow in these pages dozens of insulting comments from the armed wing of the army kikones.
This is my objective criticism: be simultaneously theologians, writers and storytellers is not easy. There are theologians (even at the highest level) who incomprehensible languages, those writers who are not and that are riddled with clichés, and storytellers who can not tell their own.
Then there are those who have a lack of these qualities, but the other two, or have theological and literary skills but they can not tell.
Any Father Ariel enemy with sufficient minimum intelligence (on flying kikones “Cazzari”) It should recognize that it is very gifted intellectually, It is a theologian of great depth, He is a writer and a senior writer. To all this, then, It also adds the legal sagacity, Why …ah, and as if it manages to walk the tightrope without cutting and without giving rise to clerical reprimands! And you do not touch the razor on which he walks, Why, his, It would not do anything, who touches, instead, It would cut the veins.
If this was not a holy priest of God pen, It would be a dangerous pen worthy of the worst devil!
With grace and elegance uncommon, and with the painful tear to the eye (undoubtedly sincere) He explained and demonstrated that Pope John Paul II acted imprudently, At Neocatechumenals, and without listening to the advice and entreaties addressed to him all the best specialists of the Roman Curia, proved stubborn and deaf.
At this point we must understand, one part, we have the kikones attempting pedestrian in a manner of speaking: “Pope John Paul II is holy, We greeted us and approved, so our Way is holy”, Father Ariel other than with a theo-literary-narrative sophistication explains … Gentlemen, see that the saints have wrong and make mistakes, because no saint has ever been sought perfection and the human is exempt from error and error of assessment. To then throw down the deadly attack … except changing otherwise the saints in fetish object of idolatry.
… zzo! And now those who denies? The Holy See? Yup, but to deny it before should redo the Catholic doctrine from top to bottom, and I do not think it's worth, in particular to give in the Armata Brancaleone Kikones.
He brought, Father Ariel, lashes the blood right and left, without being able to be called in any way by any ecclesiastical authority, which should forward all revolutionize the concept of sanctity and declare solemnly acknowledges that the saints, as such, they are perfect, and that their every choice and decision, It should be considered an article of faith, including recognition “purely administrative” Army of Brancaleone Kikones.
Congratulations to kikones, if they hope in this, by the competent authorities of the Holy See, several of them invoked, in their rambling following comments on these pages.
A book, so, tasty and wonderful in such a terribly refined mind has composed the entire puzzle, then she puts it under glass and framed the public exposure in this book, It missed us only to place ourselves under the label: “you assholes!”.
Kikones, incazzatevi what you want: Father Ariel beautifully fucked you, but just great, see what I say, for little or nothing worth, as emeritus professor of church history at an Italian university faculty of political science, where I taught for 40 year old.
Roberto (since his retirement in the Colli Bolognesi)
I started reading this book enjoyable, rich in examples and stories written in a unique style that helps and even invites the reader to penetrate a tough subject like theology and dogma ... that in itself is incredible!
But then there 's the magic touch that I have already enjoyed "And Satan came triune": how did you manage to create that that touching the cover gives feelings between velvety and rubber ...?
However, the comments of Neocat above seem to me to be possessed; if they are in good faith and if this path was the bearer of good fruits as peace and humility should a brotherly dialogue with theologians and pastors in charge of souls who admonish them; It seems to see them foaming with rage and poisonous drivel to his mouth ... mah!
And think about it!
They occur when splashing them with Holy Water.
The book by Father Ariel is the Holy Water!
The God of His overflowing Thanks, very expensive.
Pax
The Holy Father says: “The authority of Jesus therefore is real, that of the Pharisees is only formal.”
1 Sacher, in virtue of the sacrament of the Order, they are gods “Old Christ”.
The Pharisees, as are the megacatechisti neocat, They are just the laity.
Massimiliano, fai 2 + 2 and draw your conclusions from only.
Congratulations to Don Ariel (and his collaborators) at the flattering criticism of the book published yesterday by one of the most’ authoritative and followed the world's Catholics blog, in four languages.
http://magister.blogautore.espresso.repubblica.it/2019/09/30/i-neocatecumenali-sulla-via-del-tramonto-col-contributo-del-papa/
The hatred oozing from the responses of the majority of neocat leads me to think, I really hope I'm wrong, to the possessed by Satan.
But seriously you can not put the firewall between the brain and the mouth?
But you have, the pads are worn inhibitions?
Look, I'll give you some advice. Tomorrow go into the first church that sees and go toward the tabernacle. Then your knees and ask the Blessed Sacrament to heal. Then, when it will be sufficiently reassured go the priest to confess. He needs it. Believe me.
We all are grateful for his valuable contribution, because she is not an isolated case or a borderline case, but the norm: the neocatechumenal model that does not need to read, but he can criticize and put down what you have not read, then what you do not know.
She is the norm of what we can produce a poisonous psycho-sect that is based on bogus charisma of its leaders, People with proven and widely demonstrated ignorance; people that, at the studio, to knowledge and the pursuit of knowledge, They have replaced the big whopper of a “Holy Spirit” that makes such ignorant proud of their ignorance.
I have known in my life a few teachers who really made history, but yet, while it is of living encyclopedias, as they talked, ninety played, They had the humility to say: “And, maybe in my long life, studying, I learned something, but just something and just over …”.
These large, those recognized by God and men, They were precisely the great, They were not a couple of scoundrels sorcerer's apprentice Spanish self-elettisi living voice of the Holy Spirit, They were of great authentic, Kiko and Carmen were not who spread a real cancer in the Church.
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
You do not have to read it to know that you wrote a shitload of great nonsense, very big [CENSORED]
No, I accuse him of slander since, to ruin my reputation, He accused me of having certain sexual tastes. And this purely and simply because obviously my questions, however, not even addressed to him (you will feel called to account, who can say), he didn't know, could or should respond.
What do you say, There's enough?
She also read 315 pages of the book from cover to cover, or staff “Holy Spirit Kikiano” gives you a knowledge that they can make judgments on a job without having read?
Your Welcome: answer …
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
You accuse Paul of slander??
Where are we….imbecile publishes a book that is chock-full and Paul would be in error?
But please…
Long live the inquisitorial process!
In the inquisitorial system the figure of the judge and the prosecutor merge into a single entity, the investigator (or interrogator), since there is no accuser and accused as parties to the proceedings in the proper sense. It is the investigator to initiate the process office, introduce issues of fact, acquire the relevant evidence and evaluate these, in such a way altogether independent of the parties, then deciding on the basis of the investigation conducted so acts. Moreover, unlike the adversarial system, in that the inquisitorial process is based on documentary sources of evidence acquired during the investigation, and not on statements made during the trial; also evidence gathering takes place in almost total secrecy and its probative value is subtracted from the debate between the prosecution and defendant.
Thus the appearance of the process moves away from the paradigm of the struggle to get close to the investigation and ends up looking like, under certain aspects, the administrative procedure. This procedural model beginning to spread in the Roman Empire the final stage..
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Comment censored because it is deeply insulting
Also for Averroes , although I know it will not respond.
He answers only to Don Ariel and sometimes insult other readers who contested.
How many volumes of your Catechetical Directory?
I'll give you a little help, for the Church are 13, do you have 14, who's right?
For what concerns the volume of the “Spiritual Marriage” (that is, 14 volume), could you quote me the Church document that you approved it?
another little question, it is true that after the second pass must give the CN, ALL tenth of what you earn?
Last question, it is true that the CN must obedience to lay catechist of the Neocatechumenal Way?
In case, where these things are written?
Last question, You keep talking about 1.500.000 members of the Neocatechumenal Way, your sources speak of about 21.000 communities around the world, what do you think about it?
I'll explain, to me it is that communities having to be small groups should not exceed 50 Unit.
For direct experience of 30-40 parishes where it is present the CN, the groups are approximately 30 Unit, then 30 * 21,000 = 660,000 members, as you get your 1.500.00?
Understand also the number of the sons NC…
By their fruits you recognize the tree and this tree is sick.
They are all the same , cookie-cutter.
E’ useless groped to reason, they have the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, so they do not need Intellect, of Wisdom, of Science, Fortezza, the Pietà, Council let alone the Fear of God.
Got the hint their Holy Spirit is not the Christian one of 7 want, theirs is special as the “movement” they belong, Holy Spirit is one of the category Superior, a Holy Spirit Adult.
If you ask why the 2010 to date they have NEVER posted on Catechetical Directory on which they are based ALL heresy of Kiko&C do not respond ever, because even they can not read it ALL, I can only read and only lay catechists as Averroes , but only the “piece” that need parroting their followers.
Mud and Secret, this is the essence of the Neocatechumenal Way.
Averroes in addition to the book by Don Ariel leggiti the excellent book by Lino list and learn more about the controversial and chameleon “neocatecumenale movement.
LUCA
Dearest Paolo,
as it used to slander and defame people, remember what he thinks of Pope Francis “slander”. But apparently on the way “to kill his brother” to smear fury to be the national sport.
I least I put my face, you're just a coward with no personality and no courage.
In the face of the Christian conscious and adult!
Once before I was insulted with scurrilous epithets. Evidently there was enough.
Well done, demonstrated once again when you are miserable soul. You are the best fruit of the journey, no doubt about it.
But then I recommend, continue to defend pedophiles who have within (and I do not say that they are pedophiles, but a ruling Pope Francis himself).
Hypocrites.
Thank you.
I will treasure all her valuable advice, unless one: 'You found a job as a priest because you suck ".
I do not need, I come from a rich family, then I “laid off by the Catholic Church” I would have to live on rent.
Unfortunately, none of my family is neocatechumenal, I'm sorry for you, you could pluck hundreds of thousands of euro in tithes.
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On the author's copy megasaggio&paste tonacalvento…..
I see that you also fominci to block comments…..
You are right…otherwise you would come covered (justified) insults as your friend and your trippudione false theologian guerini seas…
Make it…..you are in search of glory but not shit you no….
nay……Perhaps some of your pre-conciliar sectarian comes back….
Hi handsome…..an advice……He found a job as a priest because you suck….you have the humility to saddam hussein, the blindness of Hitler and culture of Checco Zalone….
Don ciro……thank God, the Pope received more than [CENSORED]
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And because she does not respond to questions MIE, dearest Averroes?
What should I think, who preach good and evil scratching?
Come tell me.. I am waiting.
That is his comparison between the catechesis of Kiko and the Pope Paul VIsarebbe evidence speeches [CENSORED]
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From this moment on, all the user comments posted Averroes will not be published. We are faced with a person fractious and unreasonable, that asks questions, The answers are given on the substance of what it wants. Then send more comments without even having read the answers, to play the sophistry and accuse the other person of not having answered your questions, overturning the speeches and mystifying the facts, altering the documents of the magisterium and the speeches of the Holy Father cited in a partial way and extrapolated phrases from speeches and used to make him say what he did not say.
Surely we will pray for him, as with all people so devastated and corrupted in their psychology and in almost complete inhibition of the reasoning and the exercise of critical thinking through the work of the Neocatechumenal capocomici Sect, who will have to answer seriously to God, for such damages caused to people reduced in this psychological state of total unreason.
Stop it once and for all.
She poses questions, The are giving detailed and relevant answers to what she asks, the is shown publicly his mistake, then replies that the other party wriggling by his questions.
His question "where are the heresies ... ah, He realizes what he says ...?"I reported on two entire songs: a catechesis of Kiko and an act of Paul VI's teaching that denies and condemns what Kiko says. She responded immediately with these other comments without even having had time to read the answer, which reports on the one hand the heresies of Kiko and the other the teaching of Paul VI.
I told you in a previous answer, and here I repeat: She must be taken care of, quickly and well.
One that alters the real fact and denies the reality at this level, when subjected to brain scan, It will come out, unfortunately and inexorably, a long flat line ...
Read what says Arguello, read what it says Paolo VI, Did I all right dates, the answers.
But what game plan to play?
Ok whatever you want is fine,but please answer me,please. I accept insults,but I would like you to answer me. Thank you
But why wriggling out of my questions?Yet they seem simple and dirette.Non understand why he does not answer.
Dear Don Ariel but she joking or talking seriously?He realizes what he says?He's mystifying the Holy Father's words,does not it seem disrespectful?The Pope said that joke wanted to make their own irony of those who slander the Way and Kiko,not as you say,misunderstood or want to understand male.Cosa these words mean to you:” And I now confirm your call, I support your mission and bless your charisma. I do this not because he [indicates Kiko] He paid me, no! I do it because I want to do”. The Pope then,in your opinion,he blessed,confirmed,supported,the heretics mission?She blessed,confirmed,supported a heretical sect?Explain to me what these words mean,please,since it is teologo.Il Pope then you are wrong?
I'll answer right away.
Kiko Arguello heretical catechesis on the Eucharist to the catechists for their training, its relative mockery of the Council of Trent and further mockery of the concept of transubstantiation, with a depiction nothing short of grotesque history of the Church and the sacramental theology:
"With the Council of Trent, in the 16th century, everything is fixed rigidly, imposing radically the Roman rite. With this tax now you can not remove or add anything to it. So the mass has come down to us. This fixism lasted so long that when for the first time they changed the liturgy, we were shocked because it seemed unchangeable. This is a mistake: the liturgy is in continuous renewal. Remember the diversity of communions of the early Church, and yet their perfect unity. The liturgy is life, a reality that is the Spirit living among men. So you can not ever bottle, it surpasses all models. He always new events. The interesting thing is the unity of the content. And why the renewal truly never ends, because he is always looking for a concrete manifestation of what is life. In this era come all philosophies on the Eucharist. When you do not understand what is the sacrament, because of the huge devaluation of the sacraments as signs, and when you do not understand what is the memorial, one begins to rationalize, to want to explain the mystery of what's inside. Precisely because, the mystery transcends his only explanation, there is a sacrament. The sacrament speaks more of reasoning. But at that time because you do not understand what is the sacrament, we try to give philosophical explanations of the mystery. And so begin discussions on: "How is this?”. Luther never denied the Real Presence, He denied only the little word "transubstantiation" which is a philosophical word that wants to explain the mystery. The early Church never had problems with the Real Presence. For those Christians there was no doubt that Jesus Christ was present in the Eucharist. But the important thing is not in the presence of Jesus Christ. He says: "For this I have come: to pass from this world to my Father ". Namely, the physical presence in the world has a purpose that is resurrected from death. This is the important thing. The presence is a means to an end, it is His work: the Easter mystery […] There is no Eucharist without assembly. It is whole assembly that celebrates the feast and the Eucharist; because the Eucharist is the human assembly exultation in communion; because the precise place in which it occurs is that God acted in this Church created, in this communion. It is from this as-Assembly gushing the Eucharist. And of course feast »
Supreme magisterium of Paul VI, which clarifies all the concepts expressly rejected and denied by Kiko Arguello in his heretical catechesis:
"However, Fratelli Esteemed, they are not missing, precisely the matter that we now treat, reasons of serious pastoral concern and anxiety, of which the consciousness of Our Apostolic office does not allow us to be silent. Well we know that among those who speak and write of this Most Holy Mystery there are some that some private Masses, the dogma of transubstantiation and eucharistic worship, disclose certain opinions that disturb the minds of the faithful ingerendovi some confusion about the truths of faith, as if anyone was permissible to put into oblivion doctrine already defined by the Church, or interpret it so that the genuine meaning of the words or the recognized force of the concepts will remain enervated. It is not permissible, just to give an example, exalting the Mass so called "community" so as to detract from the private Mass; or insist on the sacramental sign as if the symbolism, They all certainly admit in the Holy Eucharist, fully express the way of Christ's presence in this sacrament; or to discuss the mystery of transubstantiation without mentioning the marvelous conversion of the whole substance of the bread into the body and of the whole substance of the wine into the blood of Christ, conversion mentioned by the Council of Trent, so that they are nothing more than "transignification" and "transfinalization" as they; or finally to propose and act upon the opinion according to which in the consecrated Hosts remained after the celebration of the sacrifice of the Mass Our Lord Jesus Christ would no longer present [S.S. Paul VI: Enciclica mystery. On the doctrine and worship of the Holy Eucharist, NN. 9-11].
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Having said that we say dear Averroes, she would assume discourse of ordinary magisterium and extraordinary and so to follow: the authentic teaching on the Eucharist and more, is that of Paul VI and that of the false prophet and the bad teacher Kiko Arguello?
I compared them to him, one after the other, but I did it with a certainty: in any case she will not understand and will go hunting rigor of some other quirk or little word, convinced as all the fools to be smarter and more knowledgeable of all.
He wants to decide, a good time, to stop scocciarci with his comments without criterion, of logic and sense of reason?
Everything else is in my book.
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
Dear Father, I'm glad you agree on defining and definitive magisterium,but then it should also accept the praise and the favor of Pope's speeches against the Way,which in my humble opinion,They are part of the ordinary magisterium of the Pope and should avoid dismiss them saying they did not care nulla.Cosa knows that we do not rispetteremmo the Magisterium of the Church?It has a direct knowledge of the Way, or speak from hearsay?I cite an example of disrespect of magistero.Poi even if it were as you say,He does not believe that it would be best left to the official organs of the Church, the task of monitoring orthodoxy of the Way?There is Cong.per the Doctrine of the Faith,the Holy Father himself,because she wants to replace?He thinks he is the savior of the Church?If there are so many heresies,because neither the Cong.per the Doctrine of the Faith,nor the Pope were detected either them?Indeed, the Pope encourages and blesses?Do you think that the mistakes Pope?I think you do all this cabal that wants to advertise his book,it seems very petty thing like.
… scusi, He realizes that you have just fired the gun on the feet, to say the least, without being even aware?
She reported a speech in which the Pope makes a joke really deadly allusive … Kiko says that has not paid the.
If she goes to see the movie, You will notice that the whole thing does not say it jokingly, smiling, but in a very serious way.
He wants to know who was addressing, with this joke that she just does not seem able to understand?
He was referring to all the bishops friends, paid and expensed, to travel around the world meeting at Domus Galilaeae, as a backdrop to the Kiko Arguello power test delusional omnipotence, after the Neocatechumenal had paid roundtrip tickets, the living room and then given to each bid as … token presence.
The Holy Father told you in the face to everyone: “… a me, Kiko, I do not pay me” implying with that sentence spoken in a serious and not joking “as it pays at all points the bishops who are to act as his appearances so that he can then say: we approved, we supported, we are powerful”.
In May 2018, on the occasion of your 50th, the Holy Father has come to tell you in the face:
"Risen Jesus says: “Make disciples”. This is the mission. Does not say: conquered, occupied, but "make disciples" '.
And why, the Holy Father, You have warned telling you that you do not have “conquer” e “to occupy”?
Not to mention the fiery speech that Benedict XVI gave in 2010 at the administrative approval granted to you by the Pontifical Council for the Laity, without that in it we were even vaguely mentioned the Supreme Pontiff, that that document would not be mentioned.
She was deprived to such critical sense point of not even become aware of what brings, nor understand what you just copied and pasted.
Then he asks questions, perhaps considering himself shrewd and cunning, interlocutor to know what would be the nature “theological” and if a formal greeting speech of the Supreme Pontiff is to be considered an act of the ordinary magisterium.
But he realizes what he says and what he asks?
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
I accept the magisterium definitional, the definitive magisterium and the ordinary magisterium.
I accept what is written on the Catechism of the Catholic Church and celebrate the Eucharistic Sacrifice of the Mass of the Roman Missal with adhering scrupulously total general regulation.
The problem is not me, I respect all, the problem is you, that all that will they not respected.
But, ask others if they respect.
This question is equivalent to the one posed by a whore who works in Casalina and then, Working disassembling, It passes from a cloistered monastery question and a nun: but you respect chastity, vero?
Please, You do not stick to say … oh God, the priest has said one word!
Carmen also said the swearing in liturgical area during the Eucharistic celebrations.
Both per prevent.
… no, better not.
Better that the Holy Father does not know my book, I say this for your own good.
Because if the law, You run the risk that I appoint president of the Pontifical Council for the Laity.
This would not be good for you.
These are words that the public of a Pope Francis speech during the meeting with the communities of the Neocatechumenal Way, the 6 March 2015, in Paul VI Hall. On that occasion the Pope sent and blessed 220 The mission to nations:
“Dear brothers and sisters,
Good morning everyone! And thanks, thank you very much for coming to this incontro.Il task of the Pope, Peter's task is to confirm the brethren in the faith. So too you have wanted with this gesture to ask the Successor of Peter to confirm your call, to support your mission, bless your charisma. And I now confirm your call, I support your mission and bless your charisma. I do this not because he [indicates Kiko] He paid me, no! I do it because I want to do. You will go in the name of Christ in the world to bring his Gospel: Cristo precede you, Christ will accompany, Christ bring to fulfillment the salvation of you bear!:
I ask her,This speech belongs to the ordinary magisterium or is it just an administrative act?Or what it is?Words in freedom of the Pope?I look confidently answered.
"The Inquisition and the witch hunt was an ugly chapter in the history of the Catholic Church, maybe some real heresy has been eradicated, but certainly also many innocent people have ended at the stake ".
Dear Massimiliano C.
I'm afraid I really think she is a firecracker exploded in his ears and then be put to see a scary movie on the radio in black and white, then trying to make everyone believe that this is absolutely possible and real.
I answer only and exclusively on the merits of his unfortunate joke on the Inquisition and the witch-hunt, premettendole amiably that she is ignorant as much and as its Chief Kiko said that over the years of authentic historical bestiality on pre-Constantinian Church in post-Constantinian, polluting the minds with them to all of you, you take his word as if it were Moses descended from Mount Sinai with the Ten Commandments.
Since Cape, to follow with the followers, without knowing your discourse and your claim without realizing of your gross historical errors, is not to be considered single path of a passionate accident, but it is in your way of life institutionalized.
The Neocatechumenal should not study, does not know, It should not sweat years to acquire a knowledge of one or more branches of knowledge, why he has the Holy Spirit, then the search for knowledge is entirely superfluous.
Regarding the Inquisition and the witch hunt she is not expressed as a Catholic historian, but as one of many ignorant, sockets for cast gold black legends studied at the table and then spread by illuminists, considers reliable data.
The real or alleged witches from all over Europe should thank the Inquisition courts, who saved the lives of a large number of women accused of witchcraft.
The inquisitorial process creates a legal concept quite new and up to previously unknown: the right to protection of the accused. This concept, Today transfused in all penal codes of civilized and democratic countries of the world, It arose from the inquisitorial process.
To convict a person for alleged witchcraft and pacts with the devil, were so many and such request evidence that the absolute majority of the processes ended with the acquittal. Then, if in the course of the procedure it was also there of a slight defect in shape, the whole process was canceled and had to start over.
The inquisitorial process categorically prohibited torture, but not only: If any civil or secular authorities there had resorted, everything that the person had said under torture, It could not in any way be used against it in a procedural headquarters, and the judges could not even listen, what he had confessed.
The Dominican Inquisitor Tomas de Torquemada, turned into terrifying black legend, in some decades of activity as inquisitor condemned for witchcraft only four people, after having presided over hundreds and hundreds of processes. Above all, Torquemada, He died in true reputation for holiness.
The witches or alleged such should thank the institution of the ecclesiastical inquisition courts because they tore from the hands of civilians and secular courts. Those yes, that on simple denunciations and false testimonies put people at the stake.
The real inquisition made dead, no one was run by the Church but the one run by the secular powers, for example in Scotland. But most of all, making numerous deaths, It was the Protestant Inquisition, in particular the one carried out by the Calvinists.
In New Americas there was a witchcraft trial, the so-called Witches of Salem, the late seventeenth century, with which the Catholic Church had nothing to do, because it was instructed by the Calvinists, who condemned to death a hundred poor innocent women.
So be careful, my dear old improvised, to affirm: "The Inquisition and the witch hunt was an ugly chapter in the history of the Catholic Church, maybe some real heresy has been eradicated, but certainly also many innocent people have ended at the stake ".
It was not at all a bad page, she says: the Catholic Church, with witch hunts and the inquisitorial process, has saved many lives collective hysteria and brisk manner and dismissive of secular courts.
Besides the fact that, thanks to the Inquisition, as I told I was born the legal principle of protection of the accused, fair trial, the need for extensive testing and real and ban the use of torture to force a confession.
I do not know what job she does, But one thing is certain, in addition to not do the theologian and the ecclesiologist, surely does not even neither historian nor the jurist.
But … It possesses the Holy Spirit.
This alone is what matters, and that's enough to be able to feel entitled to talk about everything.
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
I read to the bottom of your comment, sig. Massimiliano, I came back and I opened the link with which wants to catechize Don Ariel, curious.
I find that you sew a brush of Kiko and Itinerant he pulled up in his image and likeness. Clericalisti hypocrites Comandini and lovers of power. And I wonder how can you be so blind! A twist,so the reality.
Pax
In addition, I repeat the question,I hope I will answer:She accepts only the defining and definitive teaching or even the ordinary?I did not answer and I do not understand why.
I agree with the proposal to consult the Papa.Per please contact Don Ariel, the Holy Father and show your book and tell him what it says qua.Però ask:If the Pope and asked him to withdraw the book and to give up his crusade,obey the?Also still I look that shows the minimum document confirming that the Way and Kiko are eretici.Anzi seen running from the Pope to ask him if I walk and Kiko are eretici.Qualora the Pope were to tell you that you are wrong you corregerebbe?I seem to have been either emotional or emotional,Buna with peace of redazione.Grazie
Thank you for giving yet another proof of the fact that she raises questions, the other party answers to its questions by indicating how and where she was wrong, after which she resumed the conversation without answering the central question of substance to dispute with another, or taking a little phrase and build upon it a new case, a new controversy.
Is called, this, sophistry low alloy.
The central question of substance to which I have responded, but she totally circumvents this in its second reply, was that relating to the sin, that is personal, as you rightly reminded. In very articulately I answered that sin is so personal, but in certain situations can become “collective” O “common responsibility shared” by whole groups, community or society. In this regard I brought the painful example of the hypothetical case of a bishop or a presbytery that protect and cover a priest guilty of serious crimes or conduct, or knowing that his actions do nothing to stop it and pretend not to know. In this way, I explained how all, then, They would be responsible and guilty.
This was the central theme, but she has not quite understood, He wants to understand and, after wrong, flies over and part of other subjects and plays the role of the persecuted victim from the bad haters.
I reiterate that from 1968, start date of the Neocatechumenal Way, has begun to register and count the followers, and that from that date to follow there was a constant increase in subscribers, irrespective of deaths, the many people who have left the Way, of those who participated in a few weeks after they withdrew. All these are part of those fantastic counts that take you to round the number of subscribers to a million and a half followers.
Remember that in the diocese of Guam, your leaders declared in the area a number of Neocatechumenal that was even greater than the number of the faithful of the diocese indicated Pontifical Yearbook, etc … etc …
I repeat, however, that the central question, proditoriamente baffled, was that of personal sin, you raised, and to which I have responded, to show her how and why she has this wrong.
The effort you make to smooth the Pope, get him on your side, to pass it at all costs to one of your, for your main and biggest supporter, It is pathetic and childish. Needless to indicate how many times, and in which stringent tones, Pope Francis has also rebuked so hard. I find written and documented in the book by Father Ariel, if you read it.
Pope Francis backs, holds, blesses and approves from top to bottom the Neocatechumenal, just as Pope John Paul II could have claimed, to bless, approval from top to bottom the Communists and Marxism.
But I repeat: quote them from first to last the harsh and severe speeches of Pope Francis reproach you addressed, it would be waste of time, She would deny the sun, the moon and the solar system, because of this are reduced brainwashed which then mutate in turn plagiarists.
@ Massimiliano,
Declare the bad faith and suggest that the fathers of the Island of Patmos, or who else postman untrue for the sole purpose of denigrating the path and defend abusers, matches fully with the mindset of the Neocatechumenal.
If these things do ye, it is said that the need to do the other.
Discredit the Church, preti in the Messe, and all Christians, your specialization is always. “I had never met a single Christian in my life” Kiko told him early in his “opera” , dopo i Cursillos: or he had been incredibly unlucky or would bring discredit.
To suggest for groped to defend, is typically Neocatechumenal: not to admit the defiance accuse others. I have the skin test of the slanders spread on me to destroy my reputation, only envy and “kill me”, since not allineavo me to their methodologies. I have destroyed.
But once you know the method, It does not give more credit to the cockle spreaders, even when they attribute to the Pope's words that come only from the reports of Kiko unilateral or its marketers.
Salerno Priest, I'm really surprised to hear a priest speak in this way and give the liar and sophist who knows.
I gladly leave your wars against the Neocatechumenal and heretics. The Inquisition and the witch hunt was an ugly chapter in the history of the Catholic Church, maybe some real heresy has been eradicated, but certainly also many innocent people have ended at the stake. Page that you would like to reopen modern inquisitors, but thank God, Pope Francis has certainly more discerning of you and never misses an opportunity to bless the Way and to guarantee the faith of a million and a half people who follow the Way of the world. Now I really leave you, and I promise not to answer more, but I invite you to meditate while you hurled with such violence, even verbal, to other Catholics, the faithful should “feed” leave the church, you sbattezzano, join cults (the real ones, Jehovah's Witnesses, Almighty god, scientology, Soka Gakkay… Ecc.) and go by magicians.
Then, gentle priest of Salerno, do you really think that the million and a half people who are part of the journey, are "members" of 1968?that is, the year of the birth of the Way? In this case it's me that I tell you that in the 1968 the neocatechumens were much less, just a few communities in Rome. And then call the "members", the apartments on the Neocatechumenal Way, means not being clear what the catechumenate.
Kind regards
Massimiliano Conti
"The issues of criminal law that you carry, I hope that they are scrutinized and judged »
Then you, law and then just do not understand! But what it would have to “winnow”? Here we are not talking about cases being studied or awaiting trial, but convictions by courts dates.
"I remind you that the Neocatechumenal in the world are a million and a half people and if someone misses his sin '.
But it is natural! Sin is personal, God forbid. But, when the sinner and the sin rests, covered and protected inside, to save the sin and the sinner the image of the purity of the whole “clan”, at that point, the responsability, become collective.
The priest catenese, under, told her that after being slapped … "A month later he was in Catania the great messiah Kiko, informed happened, He did not say a word, let alone the priest tried to apologize ".
In this case, Kiko, informed, not acting, It has been complicit in a grave sin: the aggression of a priest, committing his part a grave sin of omission.
And Kiko is your founder and supreme leader, it's not a “Maverick” any.
Example: If a priest commits a grave error, a crime, and the bishop and the presbytery, who know it, the cover and justify, or even make and just simply ignore it, at that point, the bishop and all the priests, are responsible, and can not then say, in front of a possible scandal, that sin is personal, the individual, if they have it covered and protected, or even and only if they simply do not act.
Is that clear this or not?
I feel real sorry for her sincere, because she is a true sophist, able to justify the unjustifiable by reasons that do not hold up, especially on the floor of the basilar logic.
Do you mind even numbers, it is not true that the Neocatechumenal Way are in the world a million and a half, why are you to be in your number people registered in 1968, none of which has never died and no one has ever come out … only uninterrupted revenue. Just attend a few times and then not be able to see more, which was counted in the statistics.
The Neocatechumenal groups are not thriving, I am getting older, young people less and less, the children of large families, when after the age take the flight they leave in large numbers, often live with a sense of deep hatred the memory of the Catholic Church, believing that you are the most true and perfect image of the Catholic Church. And they hate the Catholic Church for everything to which you have subjected them to your interior, from falsehood and hypocrisy.
Dear Priest of Salerno, the comments of a few lines bearing only insults, Comments are blatantly flirt, sent by “haters of the Neocatechumenal Way” and on the web there are a few, just to discredit a group of people, Christians like you, who are the Neocatechumenal. The issues that brought criminally relevant, I hope that they are scrutinized and judged, but they can not be represented as a fault of all the Neocatechumenal. Remember that the Neocatechumenal in the world are a million and a half people and if someone misses sin is his, is personal and is not serious do the whole herb bundle, as they said the ancient sages.
Kind regards
Massimiliano Conti
I add my testimony dating back to 2001: on me Neocatechumenals rejected by then my parish on the outskirts of Florence put around a voice teacher Siena married with family, I attended, It was my lover.
In their eagerness to throw discredit on me immediately following the principle “bastonane one to frighten 100” (as even other priests associated with the old “school Sandpipers” they intended to reject them), premurarono not even inquire, and they rushed so blindly.
The teacher in question was in fact my sister, married to a Sienese and moved to Siena, after marriage.
In similar situation, as well as having committed a serious sin for an illicit relationship with a woman, to that sin it is so added a shame more shameful and serious: incest.
Sometimes, in their rush to immediately impress in every way, They do not ensure even investigate about people that hit.
That says a lot about many things, comprendonio even …
I catechists came to threaten me in the sacristy (In the 2004) because after that I had prevented the celebration of “messa kikiana” on Saturday night in the local parish, which created huge obstacles and problems in all parish activities, having neither me nor any other priest ready to celebrate for them, they invited a priest from Rome came from the Redemptoris Mater Seminary. Of this immediately informed the archbishop of Pisa, all'epoca mons. Alessandro Plotti, He sat and let him know that without the permit could not invite extra diocesan ordinary diocesan priests to celebrate in our diocese in or outside churches.
And they were picking on me, without going all the subtle, but in a very big way, really heavy.
Of this I have written testimony made to Father Ariel during the writing of his book.
Maximilian C. he claims: “Sorry for all, but do you really think the comments of luc, Fabio etc.. What harm idiot, idiot and everything else, in a manner so blatant they are true?”
Look … I do not know if they are true, but if someone were published sent them.
One thing is certain for me: In the 2002 me an angry group of the Neocatechumenal, in a parish in Salerno, inside the church, at the end of commissioning, they called me “asshole, “asshole”, “dickhead”, making melody out of turn to St. John Paul II, who they say had approved them across.
At the consummation of the fact there were a few dozen people, and I had to appease the wrath of a group of men who were about to put their hands on him, outraged by the insult made by that group of the Neocatechumenal to a priest inside the church at the end of the Mass.
Hence, given that the comments which she alludes were also false, I guarantee that his “to be co-religionized” in reality they have done a lot worse, and not just with me.
at the material time I had 60 year old, today I have 77, But that episode I just can not forget this day.
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Memorandum on Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
When during the writing of the book “The sect Neocatechumenal” I have collected many testimonies of Italian priests, the author of this comment, as many others, He gave me a detailed written report and signed that here reported.
Read the comments of priests who have had legal issues with the Neocatechumenal and that resolved with sentences delivered by the Italian criminal courts for crimes ranging from aggravated defamation physical aggression. He claims that all these people are not really priests, but they are only “owl comments” invented out of whole cloth to your discredit the Mephistopheles preparation of this magazine that sows hatred towards the holy and pneumatological Neocatechumenal.
In saying this, But bear in mind that I have all the copies of court documents and those of convictions, for as sure as that for my costume and setting, without evidence, not only I would not write a book, but I not write their own even a syllable.
In that case will then claim – and one as she will do, but if he does! – that the acts in question are not authentic but they are all packaged false documents to discredit the greatest gift of the Holy Spirit to the Church in two thousand years: the Neocatechumenal Way.
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
(I respond to Don Paul in Rome and signed letter from an Italian priest)
I am a priest Catania, our diocese invaded by the Neocatechumenal despite the attempts made at the time by Msgr. Luigi Bommarito to put an Brake, without succeeding.
I also had with some of the Neocatechumenal a matter of legal 20 Years ago, and there was even if my complaint, a trial and a conviction, because I was physically assaulted in the local parish. One of them gave me holy evangelizers one so strong slap hitting with the palm of his ear open hand, I heard that for a week, also feared damage to the eardrum. Instead I got away with a reduction of 25/30% of hearing in that ear capacity.
One month later, in Catania the great messiah Kiko, informed happened, He did not say a word, let alone the priest tried to apologize.
So am I, Ariel father, when he worked on his book, I gave copies of all these documents.
Amen!
Sorry for all, but do you really think the comments of luc, Fabio etc.. What harm idiot, idiot and everything else, in a manner so blatant they are true? Even an idiot would understand that comments owl, useful only to discredit a category of people who hate, in this case the neocatechumens. The same ploy used by the observatory blog, very free to do so, but be aware that with these cheap tricks you can fool just some silly, But smart people do not falls.
Kind regards
Massimiliano Conti.
Poor Luc and related!
When Father Ariel wrote his book I will I gave an entire case file with a lot of conviction of the criminal court judge of the city of “X”.
Or do you think that we speak to give breath to the mouths, without proof, as you do in practice you?
The fact: after a series of disagreements with … neokatekiki, expelled from the parish Neocatechumenals, with the approval of the bishop declared that the situation “objectively untenable for the good of the parish”.
Shortly after they began to circulate rumors that I was a pedophile.
I go straight to the point: I denounced the fact, They were without the necessary investigations and two years after three Neocatechumenal catechists were convicted of defamation with a series of aggravating recognized that I will not explain.
And I'm not the only case.
We have the evidence in hand, you just hate and gossip, My poor Luc and related.
Know that Luc, and others who have posted similar comments, are not “loose dogs”, O “isolated cases” O “almost limit”.
Not at all!
instead They are the real and concrete paradigm of what is the attitude of the Neocatechumenal generally towards us parish priests, if we dare to issue a single sigh doubtful of some of their styles, liturgy, catechesis, etc ..
With the same style and tone of Luc, many Neocatechumenal, and I repeat many, They have turned, early twenties, the pastors of 70 year old.
This is reality, especially by us in Rome, where dozens of parishes have polluted for decades.
It's really the person least suited to be accused of contempt for women, to which she not even imagine what I have on the human level, moral and spiritual.
She has invented this accusation against me just not to the merits of the matter. Then we clarify: I responded in kind to a dear Reader that made me lessons on good behavior for Priests, knowing that a priest, directives of behavior or deserved reproaches, them to him can only direct his bishop, which moreover, so delicate, it will always in private, certainly not by contacting the priest in public in front of everyone, how did that dear lady in her comments.
Said this: she should not take it out on me, but with the Blessed Apostle Paul. Since, however, he does not have the courage to do, behold, according to the established technique neocathetica take my answer, manipulates, He pulls out what they want and then try to make me say what I really did not say.
Anyhow, if he wants you to meet another great despiser of women: John Paul II, who dared to silence your “santa” Carmen after she, twice, She interrupted him as he spoke to correct it.
John Paul II, that at this point you might also consider a great misogynist and despiser of women, He answered sfacciatissima and maleducatissima Carmen with the same words of the Apostle Paul Blessed: "The woman, shut up!».
And do not tell me you did not know this fact, proven and documented.
It's been three decades but the Vatican will always remember all, why nobody, but mostly no, She had never dared to do such a thing.
But, When one is filled with the Holy Spirit, We can also point the finger at the Pope and stop twice while talking.
After the Supreme Pontiff, the third attempt to break and correction, He replied in kind.
But on the other hand, John Paul II, exactly how it is recognized by her to me, probably despised women.
Come on, stop being ridiculous and to charge people what they did not say, written and thought: cool it.
I despise that women who were chosen to announce to the Apostles the resurrection of Christ?
I despise that women who were the first and the biggest supporters of my priestly vocation?
But please!
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
Gentile don Ariel,
His contempt for women and taking it to the poor lay blame for not having his dignity equal to angels is before the eyes of all, if you want the monster screenshots. Even his Kiko-phobia is plain for all to see, since it does not miss a post to remember him with terms such as “to chains”, “kikiano holy spirit” etc.
Now if you kindly wanted to show me one place where I would have shown contempt for everything “It is not the Neocatechumenal” I would be grateful, I saw in many years during the Way, I worked in the pastoral care of several parishes in my area (oratorio, confirmations, communions etc..). I let her back to his inquisitorial work and hunt for heretics, but I beg you to meditate on the article that I posted before. Cordially greet
Massimiliano Conti.
Appeal to all fellow priests.
We must try to inform the Holy Father and to invite him to be careful and also give just a blessing of the Neocatechumenal circumstance or make him a polite smile, because as you can see from the comments of this great gentleman, a blessing or a smile can be changed instantly into a dogma of the Catholic faith.
Knowing Ariel dad I laughed reading this latest sequel of insults, because I imagined the poor Luc that he had said things like that in the face to the person concerned, ending shortly after for a couple of months at the nearest orthopedic traumatology department.
In the end even this serves Internet: to insult without running the risk of ending up in hospital.
A true grace of God.
No, among the famous I am not the first, even the second, even the third and so on to follow.
In fact, as noted above Don Angelo, with a question remained unanswered, famous are certain your friends and protectors, by the Bishop of Guam to Cardinal Theodor McCarrick.
In fact I could never be as famous as your great protector hyper-neocatechumenal-pedophile bishop of Guam, caught in the act and found guilty by ecclesiastical law for serious crimes, while Kiko jumped on stage as an irresponsible buffoon inviting all its brainwashed to pray for our brothers of Guam, subjected to terrible persecution.
May, I could be as famous as your friend and another great protector, Cardinal Theodor McCarrick deposed by Cardinal and then discharged from the clerical state as molester and serial predator.
E’ She lives with contempt, because educated and instigated the to chains contempt of all that is not the Neocatechumenal. So, like all his cronies, accuses others to exercise that contempt instead it exerts giving her essay by a further, confirmed and obvious alteration of the facts.
She mystifies and in fact denies the history of all these comments, they feel and speak for themselves:
1. I was verbally assaulted by his brother sectarian;
2. this sectarian his brother he started throwing thunder and lightning on a book he has not read;
3. He has repeatedly attacked the author of a work that does not know, attributing things that not only has never written, but that just never thought.
Then, with the same style she spoke, which in turn has not read the book and does not know the contents, putting a scolding and making references to an unspecified obedience to the Church and the Popes. And the Neocatechumenal reminiscent of obedience to the Church and the Popes, equivalent to Cicciolina that draws women to chastity.
So, after sticking and in turn not responded, tried to manipulate facts and manipulated for use and consumption of their own sect, the words of the Supreme Pontiff completely alter and split from their context.
I repeat: this is proven and documented history, deniable only by people who have serious relationship problems with reality.
The consideration of priests who can also be seen in the burial mausoleum built in a hurry to Carmen's death.
Under the pagoda neocatechumenal, indeed, stand two huge white marble tiled tombs, one for Carmen and Kiko , both elevated from the ground.
“Behind” you do not even notice the low shot white marble slab which I assume is meant to Spare. On the contrary, I hope so, otherwise the “international team” would remain incomplete part of Priestly. Better than nothing…
Neither “equal dignity” post mortem. Just when the true “initiators and founders” are the two reached Spaniards sprung from nowhere, but the poor parts, the priest, He has faithfully served them from the earliest years, poverello.
Therefore, in Redemptoris Mater Seminar Madrid, the ministerial part is second-rate and two lay people revere.
He always talked about “international team”, but it was always implied that there was no “equal dignity”: the real team was one of the two LAY FOUNDERS, The third priest was and is simply an addition, which only serves to show that they are with the Church.
Even in death, Spare is always “behind”…
Gentile don Ariel,
I do not need to contact anyone to answer to his simple question. Of course it is right, the Priest is coated etc.…, but as Pope Francis says Jesus was covered with greater dignity: He was the son of God and became the servant of all. But she is a simple priest and despise all those who are against it, women, lay poor and who knows how many others. Meditate egregio don Ariel. Regarding the discussion with Averroes, I only read it in explicit questions addressed to him, you have responded with many questions that you demand answers. It is not serious.
Dear Don Ariel Inquisitor, I leave it to his pursuit of heretics and witches with the words of Pope Francis on clericalism. We Meditate on it.: https://it.aleteia.org/2017/01/10/il-papa-lautorita-di-gesu-deriva-dal-servizio-il-clericalismo-disprezza-la-gente/
The first is this idiot who wrote the book….famous in certain circles
The public fool the book…..and the Pope blesses for the umpteenth Volta the Way!!!
Kill gualdi serbelloni gazzanti viendalmare tonacarvento…..you're a myth!!!
Thanks to exist!!!
Dear Massimiliano Conti,
The following comments trial so not subject to denial that if there is a person who has evaded all questions, not responding and always changing the subject in front of any question, he is Averroe. Read the comments following, because the whole is not really subject to denial.
I note that only catechists stuffed Kiliano “Holy Spirit”, rant may not ever be taken from anyone when public enunciate, serious and blatant heresies, Why … who is against them, It is against God.
I remember them – prove it writings here published by his close friend, you just need to read them – that the “poor layman” to which you refer is not at all limited neither to criticize nor contestarmi – these things perfectly legitimate -, but rather he attacked me with arrogance and vehemence, discoursing and cutting off a book he has not read a single page. And since it does not know what is my work, It started to imputarmi facts, things and statements that are not completely contained in my essay on “The sect Neocatechumenal”.
So for her it is serious discourse, criticize and put down what you do not know because you do not own bed?
Know finally that when the Holy Father condemns clericalism, It condemns the ones like you: that claim to secularize the ministers of the sacred and clericalize sacredly lay catechists, moreover ignorant and heretics, as evidenced by the facts, alone and nothing but the facts.
Question purely theological whole turned to her: it is true or not true, that the sacrament of grace, regardless of their holiness or less, the priests of Christ, They are covered with a dignity that is higher than that of the same angels of God?
Answer this question, if anything, after having consulted his mega-catechist.
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
We speak instead of superneocatecumenale bishop of Guam, convicted of pedophilia, after he neocatecumenalizzata a whole diocese.
Then we also give another explanation: How come, he card. Theodor McCarrick, recognized as a serial molester, removed from the dignity of cardinal and then dismissed from the clerical state, He resides now in one of your Redemptoris Mater seminaries?
He was your great friend and supporter, or not?
Well, instead talk about the "scandalous behavior of many priests that I have seen with my eyes", tell us about the behavior of these two powerful your friends: one, a pedophile bishop blown, the other, Cardinal a recognized and condemned as dangerous serial offender.
Tell us about them, who protected you and you have loved me so much …
Averroe,
She realizes that for decades you have disobeyed the Church and the Popes, making your liturgy, your set, your catechisms, your net … and now you have even the audacity to come and talk to us priests, that the Church have always served and obeyed, authority of the Pope, we have always respected?
It was us, or it has been the focus of satanic arrogance of Mr. Kiko, out of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith who had dared to admonish the catechisms heretics, saying that a catechism with such adjustments would not have never accepted?
Have the decency to stay at least shut up, not to come to invoke the authority of the popes that you have circumvented, ma, above all, not to treat us as if we were priests emeritus bischeri, as they say in my part.
And, they could be right in the same way that the snake, that is, the devil, He could be right when he instigated the rebellion Adam and Eve by telling them … “and become like God”.
6) E’ true that in open court Kiko Arguello complained to Pope Francis that all parishes avesso not the way inside?
7) E’ true that the same Kiko Arguello has publicly defined as “persecution” the pedophile investigation against the then Bishop of Guam Apuron, which is an active member of the journey (up to impose it to anyone who wanted to enter the seminary in Guam) as well as definitely convicted for the crimes above with express decision of Pope Francis? E’ true that there is no declaration of Kiko about it after conviction?
In light of the questions that I did on the way the words and decisions of Popes count something?
Dearest Averroes,
as it complains that you do not respond to his questions, if it allows some questions I hand it to him I. As she preaches well and scratching better I'm sure it will respond in a comprehensive and accurate taking off all doubts.
1) E’ true that St. John Paul II was convinced that the journey would last at most 7 year old?
2) E’ true that the path you wanted to keep secret the so-called “Arinze's letter” which contained the liturgical regulations of Benedict XVI to you? E’ true that for a long time it was said that those “It was not the words of the pope, but free to Arinze considerations”, only to be denied then by the same Pope in open court?
3) E’ true that the Pope expressed the hope that the mamotreti CORRECTED were made public or be consulted by all?
4) E’ mamotreto true that the next stage of the election or that of SPIRITUAL MARRIAGE was never scrutinized by any committee?
5) E’ true that Pope Francis was “intercepted” at the airport in Buenos Aires departing for the conclave by the heads of the journey in Argentina or is it just an urban legend ?…
6) It 'true that in open court Kiko Arguello complained to Pope Francis that all parishes avesso not the way inside?
7) It 'true that the same Kiko Arguello has publicly referred to as "persecution" for the child abuse investigation against the then Bishop of Guam Apuron, which is an active member of the journey (up to impose it to anyone who wanted to enter the seminary in Guam) as well as definitely convicted for the crimes above with express decision of Pope Francis? It 'true that there is no declaration of Kiko about it after conviction?
In light of the questions that I did, tip: Way in the words and decisions of Popes count something?
Averroes.. you know one you know them all..
possible that you can not enter into the merits but only to rip: Papa…Papa…Papa…?
The Pope should be listened to 360 °.
It corrected countless times.
But you make a deaf ear.
This is the sum of what the Pope has for you!
instrumentalized all.
You also walkers are exploited, you don't realize it?
And the bishops and parish priests, Kiko classifies them know how? Those who recognize his charisma -INDISCUTIBILMENTE AUTHENTIC just because he says so – They have the Holy Spirit. Those who do not recognize it are tools of the devil to destroy the Holy Way: Pharaohs.
Sure why Kiko exalted thought to be the new Moses. On him no one can make discernment, while he discerns each and every thing. But Kiko has a spiritual director? Just see how reduced the Don Mario Pezzi who is half a century at his side, an absolute nullity.
I met bishops and parish priests who after having “met” were both proven to have even physical illnesses.
A bishop told me that he was physically worn out because of arrogant and immoral Carmen, but what he had said “great woman” He could not even report it…
Answering certain obscure figures such as Averroes or anyone is how to make a delicious cake and aesthetically beautiful,the result of hours of work,and then take it in full and give it to feed a pig.
The evidence for true Christians are numerous in recent times … heresies, apostasy, corruptions, violence,murders, drugs, pornography…. The devil knows that it is very little time left! It does everything to snatch God as many souls as possible! And it serves you Averroes and all the heads of “carlo” Comets … You suffocate in your own pride and arrogance! But God is waiting until the last… You are still time … and read the book by Father Ariel! A masterpiece… air … air… air… air!
And then the alternative which would be?The empty or closed parishes?When he threw out the CN then after those who remain?Just benches?So she would be a martyr,martyred by the Way?Let me get,the Way him martyred?And if I were many priests that I have seen with my eyes elencassi the scandalous behavior?How many people did they walk away from the parish and from the many wrong behaviors of many of his brethren?We want to talk about this although I esteem and respect for priests.
It is useless to Averroes, will not answer, than they denigrate to tear you down, and with this hope to ridicule your topics. But people who read are not as stupid as they think, and when they read that a priest gets angry with a woman because he dared to resume, even hear hear in public. Then the same priest gets angry with a poor layman who dares to vigorously argue with a priest, udite udite … super mega Theologian even with the double surname, maybe even noble means, I wonder then, with those who had it when Pope Francis condemned the CLERICALISM that reigns in the Church.
Massimiliano Conti
Our brother Francis of Naples has centered the problem, like others, as the Florentine Michele.
I was struck by the words of the Florentine brother because it raises a terrible question how real wondering: imagine a parish with dozens of Averroes in the parish.
We all understand that today is the most the "dogma" of the migrant, but to us priests in charge of the care of God's people, Who protects us? Because the single pastor, alone, He can not defend themselves by dozens and dozens of “out of mind” that found in the parish rooted for twenty or thirty years. They soon the faithful to say ... that the pastor throw them out. but then, the faithfuls, not only they return to their home with their families while the priest remains however only, but often, the faithful do not Neocatechumenal, after they have made their outbursts and expressed their discontent towards the Neocatechumenal, to the parish priest, leave him alone and not support it in any way.
consequence? He explained Don Michael of Florence the consequence to which he as our other brothers have gone through ... "in less than two years, those 52 Averroes made me grow old all at once than ten years'.
Well and if the Neocatechumenals she fought they were right?Ever you thought of this possibility?
And she realizes the gravity of what he says Don Ariel?The Pope has something for you?But the devil's work is chiara.E’ a divisore.Le seems that Don Ariel responded?
And okay, but even now he responded!!Patience I recited the SS.Rosario,ten for lei.Solo the SS Virgo can something!Good first vespers of Sunday.
Dear Don Francesco,
try to imagine me pastor of 38 years at the time, a priest for just four, sent by the bishop in a parish where there were media 52 Neocatechumenal divided into four groups. Good, imagine having to fight not with one but with 52 Averroe, if not worse.
After less than two years asked to be removed from that parish.
I was allowed.
The friends asked my family members to harm themselves or if they were sick, because in less than two years, those 52 Averroes made me grow old than ten years all at once.
I read in one breath the book by Father Ariel … It is a jewel, a masterpiece! Above all, an act of justice to all of us priests for these people, often, we also played physical health, and I know of them, of priests for the Neocatechumenal they have compromised even health, and many bishops they know many, many more than me.
She realizes that continues to launch accusations, not answer on the merits, replicate with other topics, turning his own words, and so on? Or do you really think, being an elected stuffing kikiano “Holy Spirit”, that we are the idiots unable to grasp all its painful expressive behavioral psychoses?
She did not give a single answer, He attacked, changed topics, overturned the sentences … read what he wrote, it's all in chronological order.
Dear Readers,
I leave you all to assess how, a Neocatekiko, after having “crucified” a nonsense behind the other, instead of staying silent, attempts to overthrow once again the omelette, change the tone and topple him from the person other disputes.
The psychotic logic is clear: they attack, then if someone points out the glaring inaccuracies and nonsense they said, even spill all to groped to hit back the caller. Always and practices without considering the merits of what is being disputed.
Who allowed these people to take the field within the Catholic Church, by Popes in good faith to the diocesan bishops, He has committed a serious, serious mistake both of assessment or pastoral.
Now Averroes take this last sentence to explain that I am against the Popes excommunicated and I go on the spot …
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
My bishop has decided to relocate to another parish.
I'm considering whether to take the text and every reason to Averroes, introduce on Monday by Cardinal Crescenzio Sepe, and use the exact same reasons and questions:
The Pope approves his work? He asked permission? He consulted the Holy Father, to know whether he shared his initiative?Well if she intends to act regardless of the Pope, I think both outside the Catholic faithful strada.Come invite you to reflect on what is facendo.Sta thinking that with his act,He might go against the Holy Father?
Definitely, the Archbishop of Naples, when I tell him this way will laugh, because he is a man who has a sense of humor. But if unfortunately understood however that no kidding but I'm serious, I am sure you would call an ambulance and, tight inside a straitjacket, I would drag at your nearest hospital department of neurology.
The people she listed acting on behalf of the Pope to praise his book?Oh this is beautiful!I did not know that there was a department that endorse books of anti Way theologians and against Papa.Che value is the subjective opinion of these people she listed?No values are personali.Beh opinions'm sorry but she had not said only considers the defining teaching and final?Now he is saying that he consulted these foo? She did not give a damn about the Pope's Way to praise,I explain to me why something should scrub the praise of these gentlemen to his book?But show me an official document of the Catholic Church,which lends credence to his thesis and take in considerazione.Le repeat the question:The Pope approves what you wrote?I really do not think so!If so his behavior is severe. I repeat the question,which did not respond:Show me an official document of the Church defining and definitive condemning officially and clearly, the path and / or Kiko ,as heretics and I will buy her libro.Per courtesy,she is a theologian is serious,He does not see that miserable figure is doing in front of his associates?I cla please!
But she, He realizes what is comical and ridiculous?
She says that the Ecclesiastical Authority established by the Roman Pontiff and operating on its mandate … "Do not matter a damn ' ?
So, according to what you said, all departments of the Holy See, when they decide, decree and order in the Holy Father's name, that certain decrees, decisions and nine times out of ten commandments is not remotely aware, perform illegitimate actions, true and proper abuse of power?
And all diocesan bishops of the world?
Then do one thing: proposes the immediate abolition of the dicasteries of the Holy See and the dioceses, so that no one dare ever take any kind of initiative and decision, because any approval rests solely and exclusively to the Holy Father, all other Ecclesiastical Authorities "Do not matter a damn '
She is truly and essentially three things: ridiculous, ridiculous, ridiculous.
With an awful aggravating: the insistence.
In any case thank you from my heart: she is demonstrating, to all our readers, what are the results and what can reduce a psycho-sect the brain of its settaristi.
I sincerely thank you!
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
Yes, but he submitted his book to the Pope?The people that you have listed do not count quite a nulla.Le repeat the question:The Pope approves his work?He asked permission?He consulted the Holy Father,to know whether he shared his initiative?Well if she intends to act regardless of the Pope,I think both outside the Catholic faithful strada.Come invite you to reflect on what is facendo.Sta thinking that with his act,He might go against the Holy Father? Where there ecclesia.Mediti per cortesia Peter,.
"And do you mind the names of these department heads who would have praised please?»
Imagine if I have to justify to you that those are my private relationships with bishops and cardinals!
Apart from this: I remind you that she is a lay, with the aggravating circumstance of the most crass ignorance, that comes from the cardinal sin of pride that they have instilled in her; and a layman can not and should not afford to get on the chair like a schoolmaster, and dare to call a priest with the tones and with admonitions from her used in this comment.
All this to prove that you are a pernicious and poisonous heretical sect devoid of perception and thus of respect for priests, before which, Angels of God, step aside, given that to us, to the mystery of grace, It has been conferred a dignity higher than that of the same Angeli.
tell him, its mega-catechists, and to those of shame that priests, unaware of the dignity of which are covered by the sacrament of grace, from your mega-lay catechists you are putting your feet on the head.
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
Oh really?And sorry to name names of those department heads who would have praised please? Who I am? I am by no means neither sectarian nor a heretic,but a Catholic, apostolic, romano,loyal and obsequious to Papa.Mediti the end that made some ecclesiastical, founders of religious congregations ,until some time ago, for greater,with the wind in its sails. Lately, however, they ended up in serious disgrace and exile,because you can not defy Dio.Anche were praised by their department heads,Cardinali.Ma from where they are now? Meditate on questo.Il Pope what he thinks of his book?He did read the Holy Father?Trust the Pope is the successor of Peter and Vicar of Christ. Where minor lapses. I will pray for her.
Dear Readers,
I do not answer this user but instead answer to all of you who read me, clarifying the outset that charge me to have muddy "Especially the holy memory of Saint John Paul II", is equivalent in every way to say that Santa Maria Goretti, martyr of purity, was actually a little good that as a teenager skipped merrily from one young man at that dell'Agropontino.
Aware since its writing my book was going to touch certain questionable administrative decisions occurred during the pontificates of John Paul II and Benedict XVI, which can be subject to criticism completely legitimate by clerics, theologians and lay people, before giving the prints my job I have taken care of:
1. submit the draft to two older theologians specialized respectively in ecclesiology and pastoral theology;
2. a member of the Pontifical Academy of Theology, dogmatic sacramentary eminent theologian;
3. a member of the International Theological Commission;
4. Two internationally renowned canonists;
5. a former head of department of the Holy See.
The draft of my book has passed under the eyes of seven different specialists working at the highest levels of theological knowledge at various institutions of the Holy See.
None of them – and I repeat: None – He has raised substantive issues theologically, canon, ecclesiological and pastoral.
After the publication of the book, two department heads of the Holy See, one in charge and the other Emeritus, I thanked me profoundly grateful for the service rendered to the Church with this publication.
I Kikos They can then post comments in which they are afraid trembling methods and interventions of the Holy See against me, if anything, convinced that all of us, like them, we live in the dream world Imbecillandia, where it is true that more far-fetched and heretical invented the boss and his minions.
I regret that these people, by relating to me on these columns, Believe that I am a poor seminaretto intimidated and rinsed in the brain by their multinational heretical Seminars mother of The Redeemer. This means that unfortunately do not even have the ability to measure the opponent, and then he acts accordingly.
Therefore, wherever scribe and paventino of impending action of the Holy See against me, know that this is only the fruit of their most vivid and sick imagination and which does not correspond to any reality.
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
Congratulations Averroes!
I can not say much but know that the Vatican has already taken the examination of the issue of this “priest” that has muddied the Way and especially the holy memory of Saint John Paul II. A matter of a short time and then settle them.
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The user who posted Averroe signing two more verbose messages after answer given to him by Father Ariel, in which attacks the author of the book “The sect Neocatechumenal”, without in any way respond to the clear and precise question that in its response the Father Ariel addressed, ie if he had read the book from cover to cover that he presumes to be able to criticize with severe attacks and accusations against the author.
We note that this user is an emotional and irrational contentious that it will not in any way talk, but only attacking and mocking and, if they are addressed questions are not answered, but proceeds attacking again raising other irrelevant topics without ever giving answers to the questions that were addressed earlier.
This is the reason for which we trashed this comment.
Please do not do theologian praticone theologian with whom he really is, and this is recognized by the Church and by the Ecclesiastical, until proved otherwise not easy, because as minister in sacred and mandates, with relative Munera, I have received from the Church and not by Kiko. And on this there is no possible room for doubt.
You can manipulate awkwardly as he wants the documents and records of the Church, I did so many times in all the articles on the Neocatechumenal appeared in this magazine.
As I have done in the past, I address a question to which she must answer, instead of evading the question and go in bursts with other issues.
This is the question: my book is divided into 315 pages, It is solely based on facts, records and documents.
She, he read it?
Look, the question is simple: read the book from cover to cover that would claim nip with rare arrogance and judgments offensive and unacceptable addressed publicly the Author?
As for his advice:
'I would advise him to quit,if you do not want to encounter the Holy See calls "
I'm sorry to disappoint you own, because for now, in private, from two different department heads of the Holy See, I only received thanks for your service, according to them, I made it to the church with my book "theologically ineccebile" and "historically documented". So, what about?
E’ singular, as well as ridiculous the fact that, the member of a sect that intra-ecclesial disobedience to the Church for four decades, dare do such little lesson to me, that the Church I have obeyed, always and rigor, even when obey has been particularly difficult and painful.
Shame on you, it has only a faint glimmer of Christian decency!
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
That's the end they do the priests who open a window to diavolo.A Satan takes very little to seduce,first of all i want it to be preti.Cosa?Let them also sell well as some books, do delude ourselves that it is the "savior" of the Church. Luther did the same?Don Ariel will go the way of all the other,It will gain five minutes of fame and then disappear for sempre.Mi feel I advise him to quit,if you do not want to encounter reminders of the Holy See,Attention is not a threat. He will call sooner or later,or make worse,Pope Francis is not afraid of schism,He heard it,Don Ariel?It should be ignored and you should pray for him and for all the members of the clergy who do everything except what must do.And 'just a marketing operation, there will be fools who buy his books?Too bad for them,people seem to love the trash.
It 's true that not all the magisterium of definition and it is not definitive,They belong to the magisterium fede.L'insegnamento defining the dogma of the Church, however, is much broader dogmi.Inoltre not all of the Church's teaching is definitivo.Però next to defining and definitive magisterium is the authentic ordinary Magisterium which, as the Council says, the Christian (Bishops included)They must pay "religious" TREAT "of will and intellect" (LG 25).I remember Don Ariel the document "Profession of Faith and Oath of Allegiance" The Profession of faith required for this type of teaching it this way: "The third proposition of the Profession of Faith says: "Moreover, I adhere with religious submission of will and intellect to the teachings of the Roman Pontiff or the College of Bishops enunciate when they exercise their authentic Magisterium, although they do not intend to proclaim these teachings by a definitive act ".At this paragraph belong all those teachings on faith and morals presented as true or at least as safe, even if they have not been defined with a solemn judgment or proposed as definitive by the ordinary magisterium and the encouragement and the Pope's praise,I am not a definitional expression definitive nor the magisterium,the rest do not remember that none of the journey has ever said something simile.Lei resembles Don Quixote,which castles imagined nonexistent,towards which scagliarsi.C'è a noticeable difference between being heretics,as she accuses be Kiko, and not be teaching the subject and defining the final Chiesa.Il Pope expresses praise and encouragement to the path and does not intend to do some definitional statements or Definitve,but it seems possible that the Holy Father may encourage the heretics?And to not make ridiculous courtesy!It does that seem possible that the Pope encourages the evangelizing work of the Way, I know ,as she claims it is heretical?If it was that the Pope would not meet the first duty of a defender of Catholic orthodoxy,allowing the heretics,to spread their errori.E 'that's what she said?Because if that then this is a position against the Pope and she should have the courage to say directly to lui.Sono serious allegations!Allegations against the Pope.
The document goes on:”It concludes: "A proposition contrary to these doctrines can be qualified as erroneous or respectively, in the case of prudential teachings as rash or dangerous and therefore "can not be taught safely”.The recall in the end the "Donum Veritatis" of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for the theologians noted that the Magisterium has the duty of discerning, by means of judgments normative for the consciences of the faithful, those acts which in themselves conform to the demands of faith and foster their expression in life, and those who, on the contrary, for their intrinsic evil, They are incompatible with such experience;It has a skill that also extends to that which concerns the natural law "because of the connection that exists between the order of creation and the order of Redemption, and because of the need for knowing and observing the whole moral law in view of salvation ";It can teach infallibly moral norms which in itself may be known by natural reason, but that man's sinful condition makes it difficult to access " (DS 3005)” (n.16).also it expresses "with the help of…
I also remember Don Ariel says that the document cited:"Such teachings are, however, an authentic expression of the ordinary Magisterium of the Roman Pontiff or the College of Bishops and require, therefore, religious submission of will and intellect. They are proposed to achieve a deeper understanding of revelation, or to recall the conformity of a teaching with the truths of faith, or lastly to warn against ideas incompatible with these same truths or against dangerous opinions that can lead to error ".Caro Don Ariel has never heard in church history,that a Pope encourages and express the praise,to heretics,I urge you to demonstrate contrario.Comunque around the teaching of the Pope should be treated with respect,not just what they like.
Actually I do not even know for sure if it was the Holy Father to say those two good words for the occasion all'Arguello.
All that was published serially comes from a “Neocatechumenal press release” and we know how they are adept at distorting the words in their favor…
I do not think certain that the Pope scomoderebbe to rectify, if they had disclosed no relevant things. He paused with Viganò (not by the merits), let alone if not silent for a press release dell'Arguello.
The problem, like always, They are the gullible Neocatechumenal, that always take at face value what comes from the lips of their leader. zero critical Sense. On this much he has counted the charismatic leaders, once “circumcised the reason”…
father ariel, perhaps he did not even realize, but it makes an immense service to the Church, with courage and fortitude.
I am most grateful, I pray for her and support in the difficult battle…
Thank you.
I'll be back again on this statement
"Think to convince us that it is no sin to a priest row?”
To turn them demand
"Think to convince us that it is a sin to put in line Kiko Arguello?”
As he himself says “in me speaks the Holy Spirit?
And by! Even a death sin is sin against the SS. A shame that will never be forgiven.
From personal experience, having them addressed feast, I say that these are wild animals, closely resembling those described in Revelation.
The Saint, sacrosanct, battle with their intent not the mica can do flipping through the daisies, sai!
And the fault is not ours.
Pax
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His comment does not enter into the debate, but offends a priest that she knows absolutely, giving judgments on him unacceptable. A priest who on the other hand we know, but above all we know the difficult and dangerous ministry that has played in a truly heroic manner by being close to contingent of soldiers (not only Italian but also of various other nationalities) in high-risk war zones.
All proof that she turns in his commentary in insulting way to a priest who just do not know.
father ariel, as editor of this magazine, It gave a precise arrangement permanent collaborators: "If during the debates someone were also insulting in the comments, The comment must be published. If, however, some commentators responded with insults to a comment made by any of my fellow priest, in that case comments should never be passed, Why The Island of Patmos It can not become a place to vent to people more or less acrimonious and disturbed that you take the liberty of offending priests'.
We recall in this regard that The Island of Patmos It is a magazine, with regular registration on the rolls and with a responsible manager in writing in the relevant records pertaining to the Order of Journalists of Lazio. It is not a blog “shot” network by anonymous individuals who have created the Internet of public pages on which many people without identity can let off steam against persons, Institutions and Things.
A then part of the priest's speech in question: if us to pass comments in which he insults a person or an institution, if the comment was apparent defamation in the press and by electronic means of public communication, the Site Manager he should respond criminally in court, because he is in every sense of responsible law of defamatory comments published.
Just to figure out who would be the fools that there would be fooled, are fake comments pro or non-pro the neocat?
I was really thrilled by the words of Don Luca. Then. After the priest […]
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Even the epithet “idiots” it's false, or do we take it for real?
“By their fruits ye shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs from thistles?” (Mt 7.16)
If you are a fruit of neocat, It has appeared that the road is not a good tree?
Dear father Ariel, I'm sorry if he sees enemies even where there are no, and I understand his diplomatic answer: I like instead of Don Bruno Fini response (above: 24 September 2019 Everyone 1:22), but I doubt serve in some, given the directors of which has deliberately surrounded our Holy Father.
The beauty is that they are all untrue and you are there fell for idiots
Poor you… Carlo 1 and Carlo 2. And all your “siblings” heads of “carlo” as you!
how much pride in your words! Giving an idiot to a minister of God! But by what authority?
You who insulted a priest! What does the guardian angel to the right to extend respect and reverence! Butter!?!?
Your comments have demonic nature.
there is no other explanation!
You could never read this book!And if you began to read it,after the first 20 pages,if the Holy Spirit will enlighten,You would understand that the path that you have done so far has been wasted time and would you turn to crowd the churches and in that before the genuflettervi piece of bread you relegated to nothing but which is none other than the King of Kings!
How much time…money and wasted words!
But God will scatter … like chaff before the wind!
It's just a matter of time!
Father Ariel Force! The lori insulti..la your strength!
We pray for you and especially for these carlo heads….
Besides the insane…Unfortunately…They do not know they!
Dear Attilio,
I agree with her because I read from top to bottom throughout the book. E’ truly a work of the highest standard and historical depth, theological and pastoral.
Possibly, we could inviarne, a complimentary copy to Pope, if anything, as a present from the many pastors who were victims of the worst bullying perpetrated on them by the Neocatechumenal.
Claudio and Tony,
I am a military chaplain 25 years of Army service.
Come take an idiot “a free” a me, then I recite them myself, all five mysteries of the Holy Rosary, come on … come on … I the “Language barracks” I know him really, and those like you, use it, It is a Christian moral duty.
… a moment, try to understand what they are actually writing these authentic mentally deranged. I try to make a short summary:
1. above, certo Tony, comments mocking the priestly robe of Father Ariel and calls him publicly idiot;
2. Father follows Ariel, that being half Roman and half Tuscan responds in tone hilar insult, to tell the truth without any vulgarity, but just without any vulgarity;
3. He follows the Father's answer certain Claudio Ariel, giving you an idiot to turn to Father Ariel, She begins to scream like a virgin outraged accusing Father Ariel (I repeat that it is taken twice idiot), have even given a reply “scurrilous” and even with “Language barracks”.
Good, find ultras neocatecumenali, my present: I too am a priest idiot. On the contrary, a me, when I was pastor of a large parish, your beloved brothers, They screamed in his face “asshole” inside the church when I was a few meters from the tabernacle.
It was then that I realized what kind of danger you are sick people: manipulators, liars, false and able to alter the most obvious reality of the facts in your face.
Scusi, but what I think?
E’ Perhaps an act of solemn papal magisterium? E’ maybe a motu proprio? E’ perhaps a pronouncement of the infallible magisterium?
No.
Soon said: I do not think even, because I do not care anything, if the Holy Father said two good words for the occasion heretic Kiko and Father Mario Pezzi.
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
Dear insulter,
if the reigning Pontiff gave a peck on the tip of the nose to Kiko and say that it is the person most vigorous and nice that exists in the world, to me personally, as a Catholic and as a priest, would not mind an emeritus fife, nor prevent me from criticizing in an entirely legitimate crasse the heresies of the Neocatechumenal Way.
you know why?
For the simple fact that the peck on the tip of the nose is not binding on either the bishops, nor the priests nor the body of the faithful to an act of unquestioned faith.
You would really be able to confuse and groped to pass a banana with the blue label Ciquita for a dogma of the Catholic faith, something no, the most lovable and cultured monkeys of African reserves, would never.
But you will.
I point also that I do not use at all “meanness scurrilous barracks”, because I am not the “santa” Carmen hernadez he is saying “dick, dick, dick!” even during Masses resonances were made while she did not like; and do not talk about Carmen that inside the classroom liturgical smoked during Mass. I said to his companion that he insulted me. And this is not called “scurrilous”, It called self-defense.
Not so alter the facts proven by the history of comments and responses.
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
father ariel, what does she think?
https://www.vaticannews.va/it/papa/news/2019-09/papa-incoraggia-cammino-neocatecumenale.html
praiseworthy Thought.
However, after reading the following article by Vatican News, I thought that a reading of his book, It would do the Pope a lot of good 🙂
https://www.vaticannews.va/it/papa/news/2019-09/papa-incoraggia-cammino-neocatecumenale.html
to Carlos 1 e 2
I've seen so many like you, good only to insult and get personal. As for arguments, zero. As always with you, incapable of independent thought.
Nothing on heresies, nothing about liturgical abuses, nothing the ignorant arrogance of the catechists, nothing on megalomania Sankiko exorcise. Nothing, like always. There even notice how much you are ridiculous, accusing emergency responders to do so anonymously. And you? Your name is Charles and called 1 e 2 surname?
Significant affirmation “Think to convince us that it is no sin to a priest row?” A priest, excellent 1 e 2, He puts it in only the bishop row, certainly not ignorant laymen and opinionated as the most fanatical neocat. People like you is a great example of how you become the so-called Way. Maybe in the next edition Ariel could do to add to your post being further demonstration of the Way a sect, because it reduces the followers in the same way.
However, courage! A nice round dance neocat, you lugubre canzoncina kikiana, maybe even an exorcism of Sankiko esorciccio and you will feel like new, ready for many, many other tithes and collections!
Dear Idiot, what you have under his cassock know. Avoid these scurrilous meanness barracks.
You came out for what they really are and on which I personally never had any doubts.
Meanwhile the Pope, Oh sorry…OUR Pope, received Kiko once again blessing the Neocatechumenal your face.
Oh I forgot……Popes are misinformed….
But what bad luck…..per 5 Sometimes God chooses Popes uninformed….Bah…..
… and you knew what's, under the “cassock in the wind”: all the undoubted attributes to dispute theological and doctrinal level, without any fear, the most poisonous heretical movement in the entire history of the contemporary Church.
I reject the imbecile to sender.
This his tirade neocatechetical It is totally out of place.
I objected to Charles a fact: he allows you to post a harsh critique of a book 315 pages without having absolutely articulated bed, But after taking only two words from the back cover, which he attempted to use to launch a public act of accusing the author.
E’ this has been invited to respond. Instead, before this question, she arrives in a confused and terribly ungrammatical part on a tangent, He changes the subject and does not respond on the merits, according to the established style neocachetic.
I repeat then the question: she, read the 315 book pages? because if you do not read them, she does not have the right nor to insult or to contest the content that does not know.
Look, it is very easy to answer: read the 315 book pages, or not?
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
there. The wind tunic reached the top!!
What a fool.
Dear Paola,
thank you and I assure that I will try to perfect as closely as possible in the holy virtue of humility. To better thank you to the bottom of this valuable teaching, I enclose two excerpts from the epistles of the Apostle Paul Blessed, some of them with them which is very welcome:
"As in all churches of the saints, the women keep silent in the assemblies because it is not allowed to speak; but should be subordinate, as the law also says. If they want to learn something, question their husbands at home, it is improper for a woman to speak in church " [The Cor 14, 34-35].
"I do not permit a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man; rather it be in silence " [The Tm 2, 12].
How to teach the best commentators and the Holy Fathers of the Church, with these words, the Blessed Apostle, intended to establish clear roles and clarify that it is not the role of women teach the Apostles let alone take them back to the public before the meeting, even if they had been in error, because the subversion of roles, still he would have gone a far greater error.
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo
Dearest Father Ariel I am an assiduous reader of his writings, and I think she's an intelligent person and prepared. I believe, however, also, in the light of the responses which gives that it lacks an indispensable gift for a Christian: Holy humility of Christ.
It is then in his remarks should moderate the use of a full of scurrilous words vocabulary that is not to say to a man of God.
If I can answer on behalf of Charles, the quote about the cardinal sin is “wonderful”; think to scare us? Think to convince us that it is no sin to a priest row?? but please…this only works with his followers.
Now could you please help me when he says “misinterpretations” ……on this page, and his book is full she says….because of the weakness shown by recent Popes…..
Now I interpret her this statement, please, because I just can not do it!
Do not quote me is to please the Gospels, I repeat that I belong not to his anti-conciliar sect!
Last thing: It is wonderful when he writes ” Finally, I leave to the readers to assess the extent indeed disturbing a person who posts comments like that ..” I would be disturbing?
But maybe you're not the clique-mail names and surnames of anonymity?
With all due respect, it's like being at the hairdresser, with the difference that in this case the people you see in your face….
You are all equal….Paladin No.1 Tim Rohr is the confirmation…. years of struggle against the Trail and then……boom…accused of domestic violence….she do not…
No, dear Reader.
I would not dare seek a Supreme Pontiff, because I am a priest trained in the old ways: The subject has no reason to seek the monarch, It is presented by the monarch only if the monarch does try and call.
I've never been called either by Paul VI, nor John Paul II, nor by Benedict XVI, nor Francis I., therefore I have no reason to approach.
Someone asked me: “But you would not like to see the Pope to give him glory?”. I answered: “But I pay homage every day, mentioning in the canon of the Mass his name”.
It is not my habit even send free books to the Supreme Pontiffs. I've always considered a useless act of vanity and presumption, usually practiced, over the last three pontificates, many people who pawed to become bishops; and many have become, by dint of stomping, under the pontificate of Giovanni Paolo II, of Benedict XVI and Francis I.
Then, although the accounts of the State of Vatican City today are in red and the reigning pope is a poor for the poor, I think that 25 Euros to buy a book should resent, while i, to write for free, I have no money, otherwise we could not just print books.
So, if anything he cared, that if it does buy.
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo, presbyter
If there is an ignorant here this is you, that does not fail to inform the public and sensational evidence.
The book in question is made up of 315 pages and is full of documents, on which is built strictly.
You have read and analyzed the book?
And please: do not say that does not need to read it, why then, to ignorance, He would join the queen mother of all the deadly sins, which it is the pride.
I can not allow to extract two words from the back cover and to dare to misinterpretations cutting “magic words” related to the weakness of the last Popes.
In this regard I wish to inform it that the first pontiff in history who showed weakness and was recognized as such, Simon was called Peter, chosen by Christ, God himself.
If the weakness of the first of many Supreme Pontiffs weak that the Church had she does not know, then I point out where you can find chronicle told in this human weakness: in the four synoptic Gospels and in John's Gospel.
Li studies. Perhaps you discover that contain more wisdom than they instead contain heretical catechesis of Kiko and Carmen, rigorously tested and documented in my text.
I leave finally to the Readers assess the extent indeed disturbing of a subject that mail such comments by taking a complex and articulated – I repeat that he has not read – three words written on the back cover, but then it is these, those that the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II called "the indubitable good fruit" of the Neocatechumenal Way
Ariel S. Levi di Gualdo, presbyter
Noto sympathy with the release of yet another book against the Neocatechumenal Way.
It is obvious that I am in a totally environment influenced by clericalism and traditionalism but I want to also express my opinion.
The assertion….weakness shown by recent Popes, It will set his face as a total discomunione with the Church; already this would be enough to abandon this blog.
But your blindness led by reputed to stop there certainly glory; especially the author of the book (cassock in the wind) with his hunger for glory, which obviously it will be impossible to fill, seeks his “slice of the market” four cats between anti-Pope who claim to be the sole possessor of Truth; since the Popes in recent decades have been misinformed, stoned, diverted by strong powers, weak, preticelli country, etc., etc….
So this book, It will have the effect of to List &Co the cosmic void since it is a transcript of a video of a famous prelate relegated to the Diocese of Canicattí to manifest ignorance.
Thank God the Neocatechumenal Way is an inspiration of the Virgin Mary and against this were…
I wanted to know if Father Ariel is planning to deliver ,of course directly in his hands otherwise might not receive it,Also his book to Pope Francis . Thank you
But the Neocatechumenate are cited:
“The use of the rite of the washing of the feet, in the communities of the Neocatechumenal Way, It is not to be rejected if it occurs in the context different from that of Holy Thursday, provided that it maintains its meaning to be lived in the penitential season of Lent.”
Except of course if they are cheated because the washing of the feet on them does not have a penitential character, But say “mutual forgiveness”.
Having said that she can have her complaints of that decree: but the Neocatechumenal have evidenetemente the problems cited as happily have moved to another diocese in order to make the vigil as they say (maybe in some hotel). E’ this is the problem
Dear Attilio,
it provides this comprehensive example: Diocese of Rome, Easter 2019.
the Vicariate sent a communication before Easter to all religious institutions informing that the Easter Triduum could only be celebrated in parishes. In tal modo, the religious who for centuries have their annexed institutions to historic churches where for centuries have celebrated all the sacred rites, they should take and go to the nearest parish.
readable text WHO
Since the text of this Directive “He dares say”:
"It's not the double celebration of the Paschal Triduum it is eligible, or part of it, within the same parish community, if not for pastoral reasons proven '.
That immediately ran from Spain to Rome Kiko Arguello affirmed that shortly after his note triumphalist arrogance:
"We have a beautiful gift: approval to celebrate the Easter Vigil. Cardinal Angelo De Donatis, papal vicar of the Diocese of Rome, It published the document of the Episcopal Council, and in the cover letter he says claws joint celebrations of the Easter Triduum make parishes “the beating heart” the diocesan liturgical life, while other churches and oratories could “rediscover their own charism as privileged places for personal prayer and celebrating-tion of reconciliation “.The Document(to the point "f")give, But, the ability to movements and ecclesial realities "that approved by the ecclesiastical statute they consider appropriate for their formation process and catechetical, or in the case of a meeting too many,"Celebrate" Easter Eve with their communities, They can do so with the permission of the parish priest also in places suitable to the exercise of Divine Worship…» [see documents WHO pag. 3].
To make that concession to Neocatekiko, the Vicariate had to renege in practice that provision, because otherwise they would have had to deal with religious communities, in certain metropolitan historic churches, the triduum not celebrated fifty years as Neocatekiko, but for five hundred years.
Lady, certain that it is not.
On the last Passover I remember that there was half a decree that forbade all triduums except those in the Parish.
Choosing which I considered meaningless, why not included because the decrease the number of triduums even in neighborhoods with churches distant from each other. I know seniors who stayed at home etc etc.
I do not remember that it was a targeted decision against Neocat
Thanks Don Ariel !!!!
Book that can not miss in my small library.
I hope this helps to make the work more clearly as possible on the TRUE nature of the Neocatechumenal Way.
Don Ariel puts his face, us the desire to know and learn about the REALITY’ of this “movement” UNEXPECTED always.
LUCA
To be “lively” It is not always index “good spiritual health”.
Last Easter, the archbishop of Palermo EXPRESSLY had forbidden them to celebrate the Vigil on their behalf.
And they that have done? They moved in Monreale.
This is the Neocatechumenal Way
Today I order!
Bought can not wait to read it. Thank you and congratulations Father Ariel for his courage.
Frilù
Beautiful book.
The buy to learn more about a very lively reality in our parishes. In Palermo I am almost everywhere and does not seem to be held back by the Diocese.
I hope that this book will make a lot of noise and clarity.
Finally, this book came out!
A book dictated by the spirit of truth of a man as the father Ariel defending our Lord Jesus and his living word from the continuous heresies that constantly attack his church!
His great courage will be rewarded in heaven… all brothers and we pray for his father because Ariel, surely, It will be attacked even harder!
do not leave it alone!