Rome. On the two sixteen year olds he died on the spot near the Ponte Milvio yet another crocodile tears of a civil society that is unable to wonder: where is that, we parents, we were wrong and then tragically failed?
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@Jack
not to feel sorry for ourselves and just, you could start by giving us to do for the effective freedom of education, through good-standard cost school. The “Family People” He's in his political program: http://ilpopolodellafamiglia.net/programma/
Like this, in the meantime, will begin to be schools where the prof. They can take seriously their work, supported at home by families who want their children do not go bad, such as those described in this article.
Then, one thing leads.
They will slap, or if schiatteranno! life is, after all, quite long and these characters are, largely, destined to disaster. The problem is: how many will inflict suffering in the meantime at their next (where to next intendesi: their children, all who come in contact with them or their children, the same community that will have to interact with them and their children)? We try to take into account that in those classes, just a couple of these elements to make damage also to all other.
Thanks for being there father Ariel.
Stefano Baldoni, ciao ?
Federico Syracuse
All very true. But also quite obvious, because if there is no God no authority. All power comes from God, but today this has declined in I will have no other gods before me.
I taught in high school where, what I read, were the two girls. Almost all classes filled with boys and wenches spoiled, who they had neither want to study nor the foundation to face a high school (were the parents to have them sent there), but which in any case were promoted. In some classes had a clearly arrogant and rude behavior, not violent way but still making their own business during class (lesson so to speak). I objected to that in a third class in high school many did not know the meaning of terms such as artillery, intrinsic, fallacious, The headmaster said he did not ask me “ideal types too high”. No coincidence that in several high school capitavano rejected by other schools. But it is not that it is better elsewhere. I do not speak p. is. of a middle school in Monteverde where rude and spoiled children were almost always backed by parents, were distinguished professionals or ignoramuses thugs. I say nothing then the reality of the province also in the North, which it happens to be told they are out of school as a favor to the teachers. Hooray for progress!
Ok. All shareable. (A final part of the digressions Pannella, Bonino etc.. on which we can discuss at another time.)
So what do we do?
A new law on criminal liability of parents morally harmful?
What do we do?
We get to give slaps on starboard and missing?
I'm sorry but we are all responsible, with our political indifference, and civil; responsible for this disaster, designed by a school without resources, lobotomizzante a television and a world of slot machines.
Don Ariel, his pedagogy reminds me very much that of Don Camillo and Peppone. The only difference is that Peppone, then, he understood…
I would like at least its readiness in the responses with the parents of some of my pupils who claim to determine their vote children.
Great analysis of the situation , father ariel
I would say that already 'the most' keep eta 'and the elementary schools the parents abdicate their role as educators of their children and always bring you to take their parts, even when frankly indefensible. . I remember the mother of a fellow second grade my son , complain to me of 'teacher as if the teacher was a monster because' 'had dared to suspend the son, angelic little baby who had "just" kicked in the shins above the teacher and from the bench then launched a hardcover diary seizing on the front of the 'teacher had provided a cut, which then he had to be sutured with three points . I remember thinking, : It is both my da 'both, if at eight kicks and hurts the teacher, sixteen that will ' , if parents always defend, become 'a serial killer?
And 'since most' tender eta'che immoral familism produces monsters.
Anarchy '68, applied with perseverance generation after generation. We can only imagine what will happen when this generation will give birth to and dis-educate the next.
There would then be to write a separate chapter on lax applied within the Catholic Church, after "poor, we must understand…"Uttered by mothers and fathers-sissies-eunuchs.
Caro Father,
I'd like to clarify, to her and interested readers who do not know the current school, as would have happened if the fellow had followed the procedure indicated by the judge, it would unquestionably been the only correct one. Of course I speak in terms of probabilities, since I know not the institution nor its executive, but I know the legislation and the widespread practice.
The fellow would have affixed to a record in the class register. Then he spoke with the coordinator and requested the convening of an extraordinary class council for disciplinary reasons. It is likely that the coordinator would ask him to consult his colleagues in the class to find a date and time that suited everyone. It is also likely that at least some of them would have considered a nuisance that forced them to waste time.
If all had gone smoothly, after a week or so, in which the boy would continue to come to school and watching the teacher defiantly, It would keep the class council.
In this, with a good chance, the head teacher would call his colleague and asked him if he had put in place all appropriate strategies to make the student understand the need for rules for civil coexistence, or some statement like, Missing only Antani. Then he recalled the need for measures that are more rehabilitative and never punitive, and the meeting would end, in the most likely case, imposing three days of suspension. Ma, si badi, with compulsory attendance, because you can not deprive a student of educational opportunities, etc.. So something like a fast-based lasagna and Florentine steaks.
In all likelihood, the pupil's family appealed the organ would guarantee, he would have to meet the same calling. The organ, almost certainly, He would have confirmed the measure, but in the meantime it would be spent - always in the best of cases - about three weeks, during which the student in question would always maintained the air of a winner in front of the whole class. Of the three days required to attend many would not even notice.
At the final assessment it would have raised the question of reducing the voting behavior. Certainly not a 5, that would lead to rejection (pardon, no promotion) with consequent appeal to the TAR, but a simple 6 O 7. Most likely it would prevail the principle of not trying grits. On these votes persists conduct a kind of exclusion depends on the fact that, some or geological eras are, in fact involved the non-promotion. Eventually the boy would be promoted with its 8 conducted in as many other class.
If anyone was wondering: but really we are reduced as well? the answer is: Yes. This justifies a violent gesture? certainly in, according to law; but if by one the so-called run, I can only pray for him and ask to never find myself in a similar situation.
Dear colleague,
You can count on my prayer. I share , in my experience (32 years in secondary state), your analysis. I was in high schools and professional, professionals in underserved areas and suburbs. I must say that I still prefer the professional and the suburbs. The arrogance of certain spoiled children is unbearable to me much of the problematic nature of the township teenagers. But the educational institution, Unfortunately, he dropped his pants. I do not know if you will be more successful in reversing this trend that is destroying our civil society (other than Education for Citizenship).
Thank you dear Father, You are quite right, She tells him a teacher with 32 years of experience in public high schools. Which unfortunately, often, even she is no longer able to perform its educational function.
Dear Father Ariel,
prudently put please “letter signed”, because I have always criminal proceedings, I am having appealed after my guilty verdict of the Criminal Court of First Instance.
They are the same age, class 1963, teacher role from now 18 year old.
Initially, entering school, I taught at various secondary schools, then, starting from 5 years after, always in scientific and classical high schools.
They are Calabrian and, I have to tell her, I was very happy, when following a competition, I moved from Calabria in the north. The situation was indeed untenable for me when in recent years, teacher at a grammar school, I was forced, together with my colleagues, to promote a considerable number of students who came to school diploma totally devoid of bases. Let me clarify: I'm not talking about gaps, or deficient training, but its lack of bases.
However, the parents of these students decided they did the classic, because according to their “It was really cool”.
Fail them? Certain, But if we had done so we would change anything? No. Nothing would have changed, But we would have obtained the wrath of families over us; anger that in some cases, by certain families, It can also be quite dangerous.
Maybe I was an accomplice for years of high school diplomas undeservedly given away? No. Like other colleagues were alone, lack of support and protection, placed in a situation where we could not do anything, absolutely nothing.
I admit that the North me have fared much better, I found it more manageable students, more manageable parents, of school areas in which there were no certain fears, where necessary they could give inadequacies and even reject without running the very serious risk of being left with the car on fire, or at best with four wheels ripped and totally rifled bodywork, including hood and roof,.
In the northern area where for years I live and teach, many of the boys, and their families, They were about the same as those you described in your article, But in a situation, like … manageable. I taught in classical and scientific high schools of the province, Students were mostly children of families of workers, employees or belong to small traders bourgeoisie.
Everything good. As long as I was moved to a so-called classical high school “historical” and so-called “pretentious” Full metropolitan center. There, the students, They came from other kinds of families and social classes. Never forget how air of haughtiness and sufficiency, we teachers, we were treated to some parents, who were known lawyers, Notary of confidence of large companies and industries, great entrepreneurs and industry leaders. Many of these parents, on receipt, They sent their secretary (!?). When I called one of these parents, to inform both the poor school performance that the bad behavior of the child, He arrived an hour he decided, forcing me to interrupt the lesson, because if I had not done, the problem that would follow would be guaranteed, with the involvement of the dean etc. … His, annoyed with air, He looked at his watch and said,: “I say well, ho ho 5 minutes”.
Finally disaster … During class, a student who was a spoiled teenager, rebel, devoid of respect and also education, He continued to send messages with your mobile phone. I called him back the first time. Shortly after he began again, and I called him back a second time. The third time I went to his bench, I took his cellphone, I laid it on the desk and told him … “it will be rebuilt at the end of lesson”. A minute later he gets up, He is the chair and, challengingly, It shoots the phone and return to your desk. I will intimate to put the phone on the desk and then take it back at the end of lesson. On my second call launches cell phone on me, hitting me in the head. I get up, I go to his bench, and soaking a slap.
A few days later I was suspended as a precautionary measure from teaching.
I was denounced and then later convicted at first instance, therefore obliged to meet the costs. If I'm ordered to pay court costs to the plaintiffs, assisted by a famous and expensive lawyer, I'll most likely, or sell the house, or take out a loan, if the bank will give it to me. Thank God I have family and children. Thank God, so to speak, because my girlfriend, just before we got married, He died in a road accident, and since then I have no more “rebuilt a life”, but that's another story …
The judge, in my conviction, He specified that the behavior was less severe and totally unqualified, but it was also serious and inexcusable that a teacher had used physical violence, instead of resorting to disciplinary measures provided, starting from the suspension.
Then I was sent as a teacher in a middle school in the country, A former farmer context, in which, But, there always remains a peasant mentality. Honestly, I was well received, well-liked and respected, both by kids from their parents.
In all careful readers, It has not escaped, Reverend Father, that so delicate and subtle, between the lines, she points to two different problematic: problems relating to the family calls a lower-class time, reigns sometimes ignorance and unconsciousness, especially in the management of children, and the problems arising from high class families, reigns at times a frightening arrogance and hubris.
The first kind of families, produce cases like that of young dead Desy in a building of the Roman Quarter S. Lorenzo turning at night for the capital; the second kind of families, produce subjects as young as she narrated that, He had not been for his intervention, definitely he would take to blows an elderly poor.
I do not know, What will decide the appeal tribunal, for now I can say I was sentenced in first instance to have slapped a boy 17 years after being warned twice, classroom in front of everyone, He launched from the desk phone in his head.
For the moment, I can say only this, asking a prayer for me.
Dear Professor,
I am grateful on behalf of the Fathers of The Island of Patmos and Readers for these explanations very important, offered by one who for years lived, as she, the school from the inside.
I would like to rip, to her and to others who read us, a smile, the series … how times have changed!
I was eight, so we're talking about 48 Years ago.
E’ well that sometimes make these accounts – I say to myself, – in case of a commitment to another I forget that I'm getting old, which I consider however beautiful.
… So I said, eight years I had, I decided, to the elementary school, to make a joke to a rare child dislikes. The classic perfect child, the perfect parents, born from the perfect family, destined to supreme perfection and so to follow.
Things then went differently, afterwards, because when he was only twenty years old detoxed from drugs, thereto, ex perfect child, He replaced a swirl boyfriends, lovers, married men and so to follow. Or rather: a drug, He replaced another form of drug. E, this life of “perfection”, He remained at this point that marked, three years ago, meeting her by chance after three decades and not recognizing it absolutely, sadly I could see that she looked like my mother, I his son, although we both had at the time 53 year old.
When he asked me the question “but how do, so to keep in shape?”, I think I gave her the very worst response: “… It is the perfect chastity, that keeps me fit!”.
Digresses you digress, back to 48 Years ago, when during recess at 10 in the courtyard of the elementary school on a spring day I, at that time already candid soul and unimaginative, I caught three crickets, I returned to the classroom before the others and put the animals inside the elegant box of pencils, deposed in a perfect way, on a perfect desk and so on.
Shortly after the teacher nun makes us do a dictation and so, the perfect girl, by his perfect case laid on the neat and perfect counter, He opens the zipper to tear out the pen. The screams were so many and such, when they jumped off the crickets, realized that the teaching nuns from other nearby classrooms, to see if by chance, one priest of the ancient religion of the Aztecs, He slipped into the school and was slaughtering a creature for a ritual sacrifice.
Some might wonder why, his 18 boys and girls that we were, the nun comes up to me and without fail, without asking anything, He dropped two slaps, then putting their backs to the wall behind the blackboard.
Well you know, which was, 48 Years ago, my one and only concern? One and only one: that the teacher did not say anything to my parents.
And so it happened.
Once the lessons, the nun said to me,: "You had your shot and since I want to be good to you, I know that I will not tell your parents ". And I would like to thank so much, for having granted the authentic grace.
Only many years later, When some time had already finished high school, I learned that the sisters, among them, they were literally scompisciate with laughter and my teacher, the mother superior, He said: "Ben was, that little petulant and disagreeable!».
If the nun had told everything to my parents, they would in turn severely punished me, but then, among them, be who knows how many laughter, I would, however, come to know not until twenty years after the consummation of that fact.
This kind of world I know well that no longer exists and, from this, Also I gain the serene knowledge that are aged, and that I'm Avvinando towards seniority, ever closer. What that, I repeat, It makes me very happy.
I wish I had twenty years, today?
Absolutely not, because my question would: if giungessi average age of over 80 year old, over the next sixty years of life to live, what should I see, in a society mired in an irreversible decline which has long exceeded the threshold of no return?
I share and endorse fully what is written by Father Ariel.
Not only, but also I approve of what he has done with His Father Ariel, highly pedagogical, concrete and risky interventions of reproach to the two boys who, deaf to any specific recommendations, they will have continued, and certainly against their will, to feel invincible and immortal.
I am convinced that the “lecture” Father went subject, however,, although their “sign” It will not be instant in time….
Ariel Thank you Father for His awkward words and stinging, because in time universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ...
dear father Ariel
We can say that behind the breakdown of families and educational failure c is the devil?
and the legions of demons?What do you think of demonology?
Thank you Father Ariel,
always sharp and truthful in his words! I have great respect for her, the Lord will long preserve!
Andrea Scasso
Educational Reflection giant Father Ariel, of this tragedy, the day of the Feast of the Holy Family. Thank you.
Add in a constructive spirit, to also give the political sense of the matter, This contribution today Agostino Nobile of stilum Curiae, the historic political design of the demolition of the father figure:
https://www.marcotosatti.com/2019/12/29/nobile-perche-il-sistema-vuole-la-morte-del-padre/
e, about the possible political solution to the issue, through the acquisition of “sovereignty of the people of the families” (JPII, Letter to Families, 1994) compared to the current one of the strong powers, and then the full restoration of the parental figures, the spectacular working hypothesis of “Participatory company” according to Social Doctrine:
https://lafilosofiadellatav.wordpress.com/i-maestri-2/pier-luigi-zampetti/
Excellent article Don Ariel. If I can, I have a request to make. I have noticed that often in his pieces hints at sidewalk level which decreased the modern woman (Paradoxically, while the same says it will fight the alleged objectification which he was subjected by patriarchy). Could (obviously when you have the time and inclination) pursue the matter in a future article? I ask because I am convinced that in the last century, the devil has used the same technique that was served with our first parents: corrupt first Eve and then, by her, Adamo.