Outside the visible Church there is no salvation? Links to the ordinary and extraordinary means of salvation: God does not need our permission

OUT OF THE VISIBLE CHURCH THERE 'SALVATION?
MEANS THE ORDINARY AND EXTRAORDINARY MEANS OF SALVATION: GOD DOES NOT HAVE TO LEAVE OUR

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Exbetween Ecclesiam nulla salus, the Salus extra ecclesiam non est, is a warning to us, an invitation to never leave the road, the truth and the life. A warning line, dogmatically and doctrinally linked to ordinary means of salvation. Unless, the height of folly pharisaical, someone does not want to deny to God the Father the legitimate use of extraordinary means of salvation, God the Son to have celebrated the Eucharist during the Last Supper without the missal of the "Mass of All Time», and finally, God the Holy Spirit, for not having followed for his actions in favor of some of the encyclical teaching, purely political, written a couple of centuries ago, because it was associated with a node, Far from being a dogma of faith, in the opinion of some would be bound for ever and ever the Earth and the Sky.

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Ariel S. Levi Gualdo

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Together Article dedicated to Giovanni Cavalcoli, OP to clearly ereticati theories Raniero La Valle [cf. WHO], we represent this old article written in November 2014 Ariel S. Levi Gualdo, in which the true meaning becomes clear to outside the Church there is no salvation.

The Editor of The island of Patmos

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“Snakes, brood of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Therefore, here, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; of these, some of them ye shall kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, so that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel, to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar” [Mt 23 , 33-35]

Many so-called traditionalists who say they refer to Thomism and the most genuine school, indeed refer to four trite formulas of neo-scholastic decadent; that with respect to school, to Thomism and good science are metaphysical else. Formulas that work the same way in which the ancient Pharisees used the law formalism with its own sake, so as to procure the severe rebuke of the Word of God made man treating them several times to charge them harsh words to filter out the gnat and swallow the camel [CF. Mt 23, 24]. always, indeed, Atheism is the worst religious, carried out by the clerics of all time that, so hopefully unconscious, It is placed on top of the same mystery of God's grace. The Lord Jesus, that it was not politically correct, he used to call them: "You brood of vipers! [Mt 23, 33]». And here it would be interesting to introduce a complex discourse of anthropology and exegetical, only to explain what kind of terrible insult to constitute certain expressions of the society of Jesus in Aramaic and vocabulary.

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St. Thomas Aquinas warned by certain pitfalls saying: "You do not have the truth, but the truth is that you have " [1]. This is because the truth requires our devoted service, not our possession, because Truth is God, who loves, you do not have; Truth is God who uses, not God who uses.

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… woe to you who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel [CF. Mt 23, 24].

In the world of what is loosely defined Tradition, where industry fans of Lefebvre with all their confusion as sometimes the inability to distinguish substances from accidents in the best metaphysical, It hovers also a lack theological perception linked to those who are ordinary means and the extraordinary means the action of God's grace in relation to the mystery of salvation and redemption, not to mention the concept of visible Church and invisible church. Again, the modernists on the one hand and the fans of Lefebvre for the other, proceed on two binary opposites, but parallel, and they both walk the same train with all its passengers oblivious to the crumbling bridge Cassandra Crossing, com'ebbi to write in my first article on the Island of Patmos [cf. which].

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The modernists have developed in the Church various metastases which all contribute to the same cancer drama. Half a century ago, we started from the daring theory of Karl Rahner on "anonymous Christians"; I say bold because the expressive language of this German Jesuit theologian, for its structural system is vague and ambiguous, if caught and misinterpreted - as happens in practice - can lead to a frustration of the whole mystery of redemption. The dangerous theory of "anonymous Christians" ends up by becoming one of the basic cornerstones of theological relativism which leads to a natural consequence of the religious relativism: religione a vale the other, Christian or non-Christian who is. To say it in this way is wrong and dangerous, while it is correct in all respects of best practice to speak - as we will do later - the ordinary means and extraordinary means of salvation.

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The upper district of France of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X, Régis de padre Cacqueray, harshly attacking Pope Benedict XVI, had said in early April 2012 that "we need to be wary as the plague of the changes introduced by the Second Vatican Council and the popes who came after it" [which]

To these obvious heresies institutionalized who for decades have taught within the theological training centers for the massive work of modernists, fans of Lefevbrians react by saying "Extra ecclesiam nulla salus», abusing an expression of St. Cyprian of Carthage, for the accuracy, in his paper stated: «Salus extra ecclesiam non est» [2]. Turning to the sites and blogs of so-called “Tradition”, one is forbidden to read the absurd exegesis of this sentence penned by people who by sports bar, where it is claimed the team's, passed in a spirit casual but very similar to discuss theology, or worse than metaphysical and dogmatic. In the past I have tried to clarify this expression somewhat tricky if caught and taken out of its ambit; because it is a phrase that emerges from a historical context related to heated doctrinal disputes that followed each other in the third century, in times before the Council of Nicaea which will define some of the basic tenets of the faith. Enough to remember in passing that Cyprian stated and argued in his detailed request sent with all the trappings of officialdom to the Bishop of Rome the need to re-administer the sacrament of baptism to repentant heretics out previously by the Church who asked to be permitted to re-. Today, a similar request of the Bishop of Carthage, holy martyr and father of the Church, farebbe in parte sorridere in parte rabbrividire tutti i Padri radunati nella assisa del Concilio di Trento; and I quote about the Council of Trent, not the last council of the Church, in order not to give some people a pretext to close a priori reasons to this my speech, holding them to consider taboo, if not worse “heresy”, everything of a doctrinal and pastoral action followed the Second Vatican Council.

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Byzantine icon depicting the seated in the Council of Nicaea 325

Certain words and expressions Some of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church should always be taken with caution, especially those of many of the Fathers of the early centuries, when Christianity was still in its early stages of development and had not yet been enshrined in the dogma that will take shape in the first eight centuries of the Church's life; because it took centuries, after the Incarnation, the life, the death and resurrection of Christ, to come to really perceive what had happened through the man Jesus, true God and true man, then define the mystery of the divine and human natures and catching the meaning of his mission and revelation. As many centuries it will take to get a profession of faith, drawn up at the Council of Nicaea (year 325) and then perfected in that of Constantinople (year 381). Wishing we could also provide a detailed list of all heresies in which different fathers, Today the saints and doctors of the Church, fell repeatedly during the heated doctrinal disputes that were at the time the agenda, when trying to penetrate a mystery for which there was not even words in the dictionary to be able to somehow define, enough to force the Fathers to borrow entries from greek vocabulary and adapt them to the truths of faith that gradually were beginning to penetrate. Above all, certain expressions of the Fathers, should always be read and rigor within specific historical contexts, social and ecclesial; unless otherwise risk of attributing to them thoughts and statements that actually never crossed their minds enlightened and apostolic.

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I avoid going into detail in the speech paradigm of Limbo, that takes place mainlylimbo-title from a "misunderstanding" due to ill-understanding of some polemical exchanges between Augustine, Bishop of Hippo and the brilliant and sharp heretic Pelagius, and then developed further on in the Middle Ages, through the poetry of Dante.

The theological speculations on Limbo never entered into the dogmatic definitions of the Magisterium, despite what certain scribe "theologians" from sports bar. Although the Magisterium has made mention in their teaching until Vatican II, Limbo has always been put forward as a hypothesis, never as dogmatic truth of faith, as they they are the existence of Paradise, Purgatory and Hell.

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limbo 2In the latest edition of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, published in 1992, Limbo is not in any way mentioned. The theological problem of Limbo flew over the Second Vatican Council, allowing it to express itself decades after the International Theological Commission [3], that for half a century in this part appears also specialized in drawing up documents left open all possible doors, so as not to give the precise answers you claim to practice the doctrine and theology. Long and complex would then be the subject, but what has been mentioned is sufficient for groped to understand the theologians of the "sports bar" that dogmas can not be invented; while as regards the existing ones, it is better not to extrapolate, avoiding cut and paste and eliminating the need to say to the Magisterium what the Magisterium has never claimed and sanctioned, to say the least …

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… In fact, to hear members of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X wielding a saber as the Encyclical Mirari Vos of Pope Gregory XVI, more pathetic is that against all sound ecclesiology pastoral. That encyclical was written in 1832 for pastoral reasons dictated by specific social and political conditions, in a situation of European history in which the Church had to deal with all the aftermath of the French Revolution, liberalism, Freemasonry Anti-Catholic, European thrones on which were seated at the St. Aloysius Gonzaga and between coups and international intrigue trembled more and more. That encyclical is a document of pure states conviction that no new doctrines, much less new dogmas of the faith, and that revolves contents related to social and political problems do not apply to contemporary society and the Church, unless you want to fall into the ideological aberration agreement stricto sensu according to the Latin root of aberratio. All this comes of course from the dangerous rejection of theological and pastoral fact that the Church is a body changing (it reads: damn changing external), built on unchanging truths in time (it reads immutable substances), admitted that he really wants to do metaphysics, dogmatic theology and history of dogma in a serious and correct to the best edification of the people that God has entrusted to the pastoral care.

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St. Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage, Byzantine icon

It is therefore clear that much common ground as Cyprian, addressing the children of the Church, not to those who belong to other religions, admonishes Christians variously fallen into heresy or doctrinal errors saying - and saying to them - that there was no salvation outside the Church. Because as far as we know from historical sources and patrologiche in our possession, Bishop Cyprian not addressed at all this commandment to the Jews, or to members of the various pagan cults at the time still very present and strong, because it is a warning to all that he gave to Christians.

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The council that between 1431 and the 1445 It was celebrated between Basel, Ferrara, Florence and Rome, states without penalty misunderstanding:

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"As a good mother is always concerned about the health of children, and there can be no peace until, if there be any disagreement between them, discord is not dormant, and so much the Holy Mother Church, that generates children to eternal life, always used to use every effort so that all Christians, taken away all dissent, with fraternal charity preserve the unity of the same faith, without which there can be no salvation " [4].

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Again, the Church Fathers gathered in council direct their warning to Christians, invite you to preserve the Catholic faith, without which there can be no salvation. Do not turn this warning to those who belong to other Christian and non-Christian.

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… freed us from the bonds

Asked if out of the membership of the visible Church there may be salvation, our answer can only be yes. In this case, however, we must distinguish between what is visible membership, implicit and conscious to the Church, which is both visible, as earthly, is invisible, as heavenly; from what instead is invisible belonging implicit unconscious-type, for example, the natural respect of the fundamental laws of God, honor and put into practice without being minimally conscious — Invincible ignorance — to honor and to follow in this way the fundamental precepts of faith. This second kind of belonging to the Church invisible implicit-unconscious, should not be understood, however, in the sense of Rahner “transcendental experience Mathematical Analysis” which then takes life theory “anonymous Christians”.

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Anyone, theologian or clergyman, Lefebvre, or so-called traditionalist who supports the opposite, if you do not fall into heresy that requires upstream always a strong intelligence, still likely to fall into a great contradiction in terms in the doctrine of redemption, because Christ, the Lamb of God without blemish, sacrificed himself for all. The problem is that not everyone accepts to be saved by the blood of the Word of God made man, same as the Gospels tell through a dramatic scene of the crucifixion, one in which the two thieves seats to his right and to his left appear before the living presence of Christ himself bleeding and how the mystery of salvation always closely connected to human freedom. One of the robbers, the insults and curses, while the other application to be received and saved. The other, the closed every action of grace, In response to receiving the silence of God, in which is included his divine respect for the freedom of the man who refuses [Cf Lc 23, 39-43]. Even in this case, but, even in the face of the silence no one is able to say whether the criminal indomitable ended eternally damned. Just as we can not know if Judas himself, the architect of the betrayal of Christ, ended eternally damned. And we can not know because none of us can read the heart of God. However, what we have to keep in mind are the causes of some of our effects, because it is the Lord Jesus himself who speaks to us of the fire of hell and the existence of eternal punishment where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. In the mystery of revelation we are given a path to follow and a law to be respected, stubbornly denying that there may be a serious risk of crying forever; but none of us can know what sinners have been or will be abandoned in this eternal cry from God's respect for the free and conscious choice man.

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The Church itself has returned to make his own this awareness with farsighted pastoral spirit. Try something thatsuicide today are no longer denied Christian burial and funeral obsequies of those who have died by suicide. Needless to say such horrible accusations of "heresy" and "apostasy from the faith" also stand in this case in some ambits of the so-called Tradition.
The Church can, indeed in some cases must deny the funeral obsequies before the cases of manifest sinners who have died to the last denying any sign, even slight, of repentance [CF. C.I.C. can. 1184,1]. However, what the Church can do is to give a soul to pay. The Church can and should be taught that putting in and persevering with deliberate stubbornness in certain behaviors could seriously compromise the eternal salvation of the soul; but the Church has no authority to say that the soul of the suicide or the hardened sinner is damned. First: because no one can determine whether the greasy made that gesture moved by profound contempt for human life and its Creator. None of us, name Dio, can read the profound consciousness of man; and no, but God alone can read it, can therefore judge. Second: anyone not know what happened in those fractions of a second in which the person has passed from life to death, and how in that short space of time intervened and was eventually accepted fully the grace of God. Presume to be able to read and judge the inner consciousness of man, setting is saved or damned if, is a real blasphemy.

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Blessed Pope Pius IX declared:

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"To you it is well known that those who invincible ignorance do not know our religion, but they know the natural law and its precepts engraved by God in the hearts of all who are willing to obey God and lead an honest life, these with the help of light and divine grace may attain eternal life; because God, which sees, scrutinizes and knows the minds, tempers, thoughts, the provisions of all, by reason of his supreme goodness and clemency can not possibly allow it to be punished with eternal punishment anyone who is not guilty of a voluntary fault " [5].

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That is the natural law that everyone can know through reason and who dwells in every human heart, regardless of the Act of Faith. This is the reason why the Catholic Church has always taught that those who are outside of it no fault of their own can not be condemned.

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And the list of those for so-called learned ignorance [6] or for so-called invincible ignorance [7] are outside the Church, without them, however, is precluded from salvation, are always many. It warns that effect the same Lord Jesus, and in tones too strict: "The tax collectors and prostitutes will precede you into the kingdom of heaven" [CF. Mt 21, 28-32].

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To read the text of the Declaration Dominus Jesus click WHO

After clearing, with documents of the Magisterium strictly prior to the Second Vatican Council, the actual thinking of the Church and theology about the mystery of salvation, no way lead to the closure in advance those around the big far west the online network compete in hilarious comments on the sentence distorted and abused the Holy Bishop Cipriano, we turn now to a document of the Magisterium written four decades after the close of the Second Vatican Council. The document in question is the statement Dominus Jesus, that if it were not tragic it would be comical, as I wrote with all the necessary explanations in other locations, well stating my reference to comicality that, if not explained properly, It might sound to say the least irreverent. Indeed, a similar document prepared and distributed to almost half a century after the celebration of an ecumenical council, reveals the dramatic attempt to run to close the stable door after the horse has now lost over half a century to the grasslands of the post council; in this lies the element … tragicomic of this document.

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Regarding the theology of salvation Dominus Jesus states:

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«[…] the saving action of Jesus Christ, and with His Spirit, if estende, beyond the visible boundaries of the Church, to all mankind. Parlando of mistero pasquale, in which Christ even now associates himself living manner in the Spirit the believer and gives him the hope of the resurrection, the Council states: "This applies not only to Christians but also to all people of good will, in whose hearts grace is active invisibly. For since Christ died for all, and since the ultimate vocation of man is in fact one, the divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of coming into contact, in the way that God knows, paschal mystery " [CF The joy and hope, n. 22.] [8]

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San Tommaso Aquino, fresco of the fifteenth century

By stating "You do not have the truth, but the truth is that you have ", between the top and bottom lines, Aquinas has said much deeper and complex than you might imagine, from the mystery of the Church, that salvation is a means and instrument, no mistress. We can, and indeed we have to say and teach that salvation dwells in the holy Church the bride of Christ and His Mystical Body, and not coincidentally referred to as the "sacrament of salvation" [9], but we can not say that salvation belongs to the Church and his men, from the Successor of Peter to the last of the priests. In this regard, should never be forgotten in some stringent characters with attached army “theology” who revel in the great far west the online network, the admonition of the Lord Jesus imprinted in the Gospel of St. Matthew, to read and grasp, beyond the times, for what it really contains:

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"Thus have ye made the commandment of God by your tradition. Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying: "This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. In vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men '". [Mt 17, 7-9].

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How many times a man, or so to say the blind and dumb clerical of all time, set aside the word of God in the name of the idolatrous worship of his personal and subjective tradition?

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il teologo Gesuiti Karl Rahner

Karl Rahner It tends to conceive of the mystery of faith as an "original experience of God pre-conceptual ', given to all implicitly, hence the theory of so-called "anonymous Christians" which would be expressed in the Church in conceptual forms, namely writing, tradition and dogma, relatively associated with the different ways of interpreting the original supernatural experience according to the different cultures and historical climates, thereby giving rise to a real dogmatic relativism. Errors caused by these, mostly, to the fact that for Rahner the concept is not an external reality, because being influenced and peppered with romantic idealism of German origin, Being is for him the 'be thought, all according to the lines drawn by the thought of Heidegger about being the "pre-understanding", that it is of divine or of his being or of being in the world. For Rahner, the concept of knowledge is not sensitive on the experience of external things, along the lines of Aristotle and St. Thomas Aquinas, but by the Cartesian criterion from self which in its own way already outlined in an implicit and unconscious experience of the Absolute, all according to Hegel's thought, from which he draws liberally with results nothing short of disastrous, when then ends up applicarne thought to theological speculation. Therefore, the mystery of faith, Rahner is not expressed at all in a set of precise and certain fixed notions in a certain and invariable according to criteria established by the Profession of Faith; according to him the faith come to realize so original and direct God without the mediation of the concept. This complex architecture, friable and especially dangerous, It is part of the so-called theory of "anonymous Christians", which is entirely different than the Catholic claim that now follows: … the redemption achieved through ordinary means and the extraordinary means of salvation.

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While we have the binary of that comfort that Karl Rahner is a final finished product and finished and through which we can come to relativize the mystery of redemption and salvation, and which it seems sewn on the admonition of the Apostle Paul Blessed … "Day, indeed, when they will not endure sound doctrine;, but, having itching ears they, will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings, refusing to listen to the truth to look at fairy tales» [CF. II Tm 4, 3-4]; on the other side, on the parallel track, instead we have the inaction of Lefebvre, which seems sewn on him the sentence of the Lord Jesus … "Thus have ye made the commandment of God by your tradition" [CF. Mt 17, 7].

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The bishop of the Solomons Islands with indigenous youth. Itself needs, given the content of this passage Article, that young people portrayed in photos here are not cannibals but devout Roman Catholic Apostolic, as evidenced by the bishop alive and smiling in their midst.

In the succession of these speeches we brought various examples and used as a paradigm of the tragic image of the suicide, the image of Limbo ... many other examples, however, would be that we can add, from cannibal flying redeemed in heaven after having slaughtered and eaten a group of missionaries. And if the missionaries of which we have been eating were theologians or biblical scholars Jesuits, if so redeemed will be flown to Heaven and allowed directly into the White Rose of the Blessed. The problem is that the cannibals of the old Latin American Jesuits if they are not eaten all, so much so that, centuries later, they are returned to the attack by importing in those lands Liberation Theology, acting this time their cannibalistic doctrine and Catholic theology, animated to do so by learned ignorance and certainly not from unavoidable ignorance. If, however, the missionaries were Dominicans, in that case, as well as go to Heaven, the pious cannibal have gotten well out of food for the winter, because finding a Dominican skinny is not easy, most are all model tonnage St. Thomas Aquinas, nicknamed by fellow students, "the dumb ox", perhaps for his physical stature. St. Albert the Great, however, had reason, that Aquinas was a master, when he replied to these students ironic: "When this ox muggirà, his bellowing will be heard from one end of the earth ". It is unfortunately, today, the bellowing of the bue d’Aquino, They have replaced the braying of’donkey Rahner.

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The ways of the Lord …

Referring to the inscrutable designs of God, the authors of the psalms sing and shout repeatedly, in the form of tender lament, that His ways are not our ways. While we can not know God's plans and actions which proceed almost always inscrutable ways, on the other there was, however, fully revealed in the flesh its way forward, which is the same Word of God made man who proclaims: "I am the way, the truth and the life " [GV 14, 6]. Giving us the way, the truth and the life, the father, through the Son, and both together through the work of the Holy Spirit, We have opened the doors to the redemption proceeds through the Church "sacrament of salvation"; through the sacraments of grace, donated and all instituted by the Lord Jesus, representing the ordinary means and instruments of salvation of Christ who is the way God, Truth and the Life. Christ God is not, however, bound and tied to the sacraments of grace, we need us, He is not sure; least of all is bound to the liturgical, or as a "Mass of All Time», high by some, to dogma above the mystery of the Holy Trinity, so are unable, certain modern Pharisees and dark, to distinguish the substances eternal and immutable by damn it they are - and that by their nature must be valuable - changing.

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the real key to the Kingdom of Heaven …

In addition to the means ordinary of salvation offered for use to the Church to serve Christ and to fulfill his plans of salvation, there are always means overtime which they are by their very nature inscrutable, why dwell in God's heart and God shall; despite not having anything to do with the flights of fancy rahneriani on "anonymous Christianity". There is nothing to say, if the star Dante has placed Judas in hell through the images of his poetry; we can even assume that perhaps there are, but none of us is as safe to say that Judas Iscariot is damned to eternal punishment. On the other hand, always proceeding to examples, I remember the day when, discussing with the then promoter of the faith of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, that perhaps erring on the passion claimed that a certain candidate for canonization, from Paradise, There was definitely seeing everyone, I said in reply … "One thing is certain, and this is why sanctioned by a solemn act of the Church: It was beatified and soon to be canonized, without any possibility of contradiction or no discussion. But it, with regard to the certainty of Paradise, November, we know if this saint is the time to enjoy the beatific vision of God, or to do some’ of anteroom Purgatory?». It took more than ever by passion, The theologian said to me, … "Do not you ever read where it is written that Jesus said to Peter,: "Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven "?» [cf. Mt 16, 13-20]. I assumed the air of an airhead and I answered: "And, maybe somewhere I must have read it, I do not remember where, But I must have read it ". I added: «You know it, true, that those who binds and melts, in heaven and on earth, is the will of Christ, God granted man who becomes his faithful instrument for the realization of his plans? Peter, the Lord, the keys of the Kingdom has given in comodato d'uso, not in possession. Therefore, the protagonist, as well as the true master of the keys of the kingdom, Peter is not, It is the Risen for which Peter alloy melts according to His will through the work of the Holy Spirit ". And with that I specified at once that mine was a speculative provocation, for it is quite obvious that a saint enjoys the eternal bliss in Paradise. Before arriving at his canonization it has been done painstaking work, with theologians today as more and more profound today, prepared and reluctant to any superficiality. If the candidate for beatification was then a Roman Pontiff, his trial was opened cautiously thirty years after his death, and it lasted a long time, because they have been used for years and years only for the study of his acts of the Magisterium, of its public and private writings, of his homilies and his speeches, not to mention his acts of government, and especially if it was a long pontificate. Then there is the test of proven miracle, except that it did not attend the papal dispensation from Miracle, given that certain saints are so holy that the evidence of the miracle could be held entirely superfluous. And in the course of this long process that lasted several years, It was also streams of cash expenses, always proof of meticulous work that has been done and that in itself, unavoidably, it is very costly. However, what size the so-called head of the bull is the act of canonization, which in fact involves an act by which the Supreme Pontiff, with final judgment and final judgment, inscribes so solemn a Servant of God, previously beatified, of the Saints " [10]. This definition implies the infallibility according to the degrees established in To defend the faith St. John Paul II [cf. John Cavalcoli, OP WHO, document text WHO], with all due respect to that delicious Sicilian and cutesy canonist who played to make the dogmatic theologian, adopting awkward legal schemes [cf. WHO]. The solemn act ends with the statement that the Supreme Pontiff intends to declare with it the presence of canonized in eternal glory, as well as its exemplary for the whole Church and the duty to honor him anywhere with the worship owed to Saints. And with that the conversation is closed, without any possibility of discussion, least of irony, mindful of the proverb wise: 'Jest with knaves, but leave the saints ".

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the usual suspects, same script … when it changes the ridiculous faith in the certain knowledge to be serious.

Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus, the Salus extra ecclesiam non est, is a warning to us, an invitation to never leave the road, the truth and the life. It is a warning line, dogmatically and doctrinally bound to the ordinary means of salvation. Unless, the height of folly pharisaical, someone does not want to deny to God the Father the legitimate use of extraordinary means of salvation, God the Son to have celebrated the Eucharist during the Last Supper without the missal of the "Mass of All Time», and finally, God the Holy Spirit, for not having followed for his actions in favor of some of the teachings of the encyclical purely political, and prepared for specific political and social problems a couple of centuries ago, because it was associated with a node, Far from being a dogma of faith, in the opinion of some would still be bound, for ever and ever the Earth and the Sky.

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The joke of the Holy Father Francis about the fact that "God is not Catholic", was not a happy, as others have been not particularly clear, maybe sometimes not even necessary, But all made, always and rigor, as a private doctor, or as they say in another jargon: as private citizen. But when the Supreme Pontiff, in his capacity as Supreme Master, made the final keynote address at the Synod on the Family, Father John and I Cavalcoli “danced” with joy for days, before the clarity of the words that came out of Peter [cf. which]. Certain, perhaps it would be better if the time, instead of saying that "God is not Catholic," he explained: "In our actions and our actions we are bound to the Magisterium of the Church and to Catholic doctrine in the manner and form in which the Church, which received its mandate from the Word of God in person by Peter, establish in the name of Christ the Lord for all Christi fideles, But God, that truth is a, eternal and immutable, to the Magisterium of the Church and to Catholic doctrine is not in any way bound, regarding his actions of grace ".
But in these times of lean cows, or perhaps worse mad cows, you can not have certain all. Today we have little, or have the so-called "minimum wage", should make us dance and sing joyful: "Hosanna in the highest!», filled with faith, hope and charity.

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NOTE

[1] De veritate

[2] Letter 72 addressed to Pope Stephen I

[3] The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptized [Readable text of the International Theological Commission which]

[4] Council of Basel-Ferrara-Florence-Rome SESSION XIX 7 September 1434.

[5] Encyclical How much grief conficiamur, 10 August 1863.

[6] The expression On learned ignorance It goes back to St. Augustine Augustine, although made famous by the famous Nicholas of Cusa indicating the position of the human face of God: the human intellect, as finished, can not say anything about God, that is the absolute and the infinite, if not for the negative way, denying him any attribute that is recognized and to get close to the Absolute only knowing not to know. Ignorance, therefore, but learned it stands beyond and above all more complete human knowledge.

[7] "If ignorance is invincible, or erroneous judgment is without responsibility on the part of the moral subject, the evil committed by the person can not be imputed. It remains no less an evil, deprivation, disorder. One must therefore work to correct the errors of moral conscience " [Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1793].

[8] Declaration Dominus Jesus, (II), 12.

[9] Vatican Council II, Cost. dogmatic. Lumen gentium, 1: AAS 57 (1965) 5.

[10] Daniel Ols, OP in theological foundations of the cult of the Saints, in AA. VV. Studium Congreg. Causes of Saints. , pars theologica, Rome 2002, p. 1-54.

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4 thoughts on "Outside the visible Church there is no salvation? Links to the ordinary and extraordinary means of salvation: God does not need our permission

  1. Reading his article and the father comes Cavalcoli made me think of a brace, the relentless goals from Patmos Island: a hail of bullets on the right, where the lack of mercy has blinded captive-zealots on the fundamentals of the faith that they think to defend; a hail of bullets to miss, where the lack of truth has reduced the mercy kept the Antichrist.

  2. People. Zamax.
    I support his comment with my experience as a young priest, I have 32 years and a priest for 4.
    I did the specialist in a Roman pontifical universities, and I could not wait to finish, to get away from that circle of most Protestant and Catholic theologians, and go back to my diocese, where there are problems, but where at least I could have done the priest.
    The bishop has asked me to do a doctorate, I answered of him always obeyed, but that time I was forced to tell him no, because two years to hear heresies, endured repeated requirement for exams, They had been enough, and not meant to be subjected to more and worse.
    He does not take it well, and thinking to give me a lesson, He sent me to a parish between the suburbs and the countryside, instead of making me happy and making me a beautiful gift.
    I learned most Catholic theology by reading two articles from the “theological” of Cavalcoli&Levi Gualdo, how much ever I've learned in two full years in that factory papal heresies.
    The two patmosiani fathers have the virtue of balance, but most are Catholics. That's why as you say the impallinano “lack of mercy” and “reduced the mercy maintained Antichrist”, shooting to the right and to the left.
    She expressed a truth with two lines, while I can confirm that for us priests increasingly in disarray, these two fathers is a landmark and balance, Catholic balance that more and more we miss.
    Thank you.

    1. This I have to write. A burst ritardatissimo, tonight, while I was already in bed, come se mi piovesse un meteorite in testa, I suddenly realized that perhaps the image of the homemade shotgun is not checked in my head by accident. It has an analogy with a prophetic vision of the New Testament. And the link between the two is the island of Patmos. In fact, the Book of Revelation opens with the groomed to “seven churches” by the “Living, the First and the Last” from which “mouth goeth a sharp sword, two-edged”. Just watch me’ that robe…

  3. Accanto ai citatori compulsivi e abusivi di Cipriano ci sono gli evocatori compulsivi e abusivi di Atanasio: è assai facile incontrarli nella piccola selva del tradizionalismo paralefebvrianoide. Ogni volta che me li trovo dinanzi, mi vien l’impulso di far loro presente che equipararsi a un santo – so, come se fosse una passeggiatinaè una ben poco santa imp(r)udenza. Ma poi finisco sempre per desistere, e li lascio lì, ad autoatanasiarsi e inciprianarsi.

    Bell’intervento, Padre Ariel. Del resto condivido il 100% (cumulativo) di quanto in Isola andate scrivendo (the 90% di quanto scrivono Ella e la felina Ipazia e il 10% di quanto scrive il Padre Cavalcoli, ancorché forse Ella opini che in verità scriviate le stesse identiche cose).

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