from the large “Sabrina” played by Audrey Hepburn to the small Sabrina Bosu, that enacts the manipulations of the Neocatechumenals notes after an indigestible “Breakfast at Tiffany's”

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BY LARGE "SABRINA" INTERPRETED BY AUDREY HEPBURN SABRINA THE SMALL BOSU, PUTTING ON STAGE NOTES AFTER HANDLING OF Neocatechumenal indigestible “BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S”

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The Neocatechumenal Way is a sect of Jewish-Calvinist insidiatasi matrix within the Church. To be against this blatantly heretical sect, especially for us Pastors and theologians in the care of souls, to which Christ, God has entrusted the care and custody of his flock, in no way implies being out of the communion of the Church, as the exalted Sabrina rant after having made a very indigestible Breakfast at Tiffany's. Rather, it means defending the Church from metastases: the heresy metastases put into circulation by two self-taught praticoni, who have always behaved like two arrogant sorcerer's apprentice, lying and teaching to lie.

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Ariel S. Levi Gualdo

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Audrey Hepburn in the film Sabrina

On October 8 comes out in the newspaper The cross an article about my latest book, published by Editions The island of Patmos: The Neocatechumenal sect - heresy became Kiko and dwelt among us. The review, published days before on Faith Daily, It is signed by Bruno Volpe [see WHO, WHO]. The 10 October comes the same newspaper an article by Sabrina Bosu, that does not fit into what is the sacred right of reply and criticism, because the deception and manipulation of reality is not a right [see WHO].

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I did not want just replicate, for this I have consulted with the Fathers de The island of Patmos, explaining the reasons for this my intention not to reply.

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Our wise cappuccino Ivano Liguori has convinced me saying:

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"What you say, about the fact that it is not worth replicating, it is true. But keep in mind that you work for those who can not get to understand certain subtleties of malicious kikos and that is to face the facts of a chick who says that they are legal persons, which are approved by four popes. Therefore, even though you feel that she does not deserve answer - and did not deserve - you should remove its word piece by piece. Not for you, but for those who can read these words and take them for good ".

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It must first be clarified that the author of this paper was allowed to talk about a book he has not read, merely nibbling from one blog, by a comment to another, Finally launching into assertions that gives me thoughts that never crossed my mind, let alone my lines written and printed. So, paradoxically, what is the columnist accuses me is denied its from the pages of my book she has not read, but anyone can read, thereby verifying this columnist mind talking about what has never examined, whereas I say this I not a real made by my reassurances “Business” date in tal senso, but by evidence and documents.

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Ss now hundreds and hundreds Comments furious and severely insulting writings around the network on me by people who, Comment after comment, prove not to have read a single line of what I've written. Those are all of the Neocatechumenal and strictly aggressive attacks and bad directed to my person, without a single one - I repeat: between hundreds and hundreds of comments - replies to the substance of what I wrote in my book. When several of them has been criticized that you can not criticize what you do not know, the answers were not bleak but delusional: "You do not read the book, just only the title ". In vain I said trying to explain that no one, taking just the title of the book by Friedrich Nietzsche, The Antichrist, It can build above a critical, that book must first be read and studied very carefully.

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The facts documented therefore prove that members of the Neocatechumenal sect, or at least their praetorian, They have passed voice, You have created an enemy and, as a team kikiane bleating sheep have left the attack without even knowing for what and against what they fought, not even knowing the object of the struggle, ie the contents of this book.

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Now I wish to draw the attention dogmatic theologians, of ecclesiologists and canonists on 'begins initial text of this columnist, surely the result of the "genius" of some Neocatechumenal who believes is knowledgeable and who has decided to use as loggerhead Dear this lady shows up at Perugina chocolate kisses as "a woman and mother are journeying". Here are the opening words:

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"From the moment the Pope recognized the Neocatechumenal Way as a public juridical person in the Church no one can afford to say that there are heresies because there was a very close scrutiny of the Congregation of the Faith and the various ministries that paradoxically those who say that this reality is heretical, when the Church said exactly the opposite, It is placing out of communion " [see WHO].

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We are before the aberration under each doctrinal profile, theological and canonical. Not only states: who is against us is against the Church and against the Pope, but even it states that anyone who dares to be against this movement is right outside ecclesial communion (!?).

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All references below dall'improvvida articolista idea of ​​baptismal journey, modeled on that consolamentum that made them famous and dangerous followers of the Cathar heresy and the Albigensian. And proceeding decided in its lines with these baptismal journey descriptions, the poor loggerhead discharge attack does not account makes it needless to trace the thought of these two old heretical currents, except, however, giving me heretic. That said it remains peaceful as of now that any theologian and church historian, reading his words, recognize in them the influence of Cathar thought and albigesi.

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With consolidated manipulative and deceptive spirit, the columnist cites the classic words of appreciation expressed by Popes, But by failing to mention the most severe words and expressed many of the same over the years to launch to the initiators of the Neocatechumenal Way severe rebukes. It's numerous speeches, sometimes long, enclosed everyone in By Janet and reported faithfully in my book, that is not built on emotional exaltations kikiano-carmeniane, but on facts, only on facts and documents.

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From 2014 to the 2018, the reigning Pontiff He addressed on several occasions the Neocatechumenal strict speeches, also enclosed in By Janet and reported faithfully in my book, But not dall'articolista attacking me completely distorting the actual data. And here I note that according to a certain consolidated pastoral style, When the Popes should pay reproach, especially if severe tone, begin highlighting the positives, then go on to describe, reproach or negative ones, or things to fix.

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The Columnist so does that give evidence that we are facing a sect of people whose sense of reality has been altered and destroyed reason and critical thinking in its adherents, to finally be induced to lie and mistificare, as it happens always in the psycho-sects. Then it happens that the official speeches by the Popes from 2000 to the 2018 and I faithfully reported, they take only the beginning 'grateful for the good fruits of your Way …», or the good wishes and blessings for walkers departing missionaries, But jumping all disputes, reprimands and warnings made in the next, and much longer part of speech. After that come out happy and further lack of judgment and critical thinking from the Paul VI to the cry "The Church approves us ... we endorse!», threatening below: "... who is against us is against the Church, It is against the Pope!». Until the climax of the real aberration written and published by our poor columnist: who is against us is out of the communion of the Church, because the Church has approved it (!?).

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In sociological language this assertion is called: religious fundamentalism. One is in fact the difference: Taliban put forward Allah, Neocatechumenals a Christ rewritten by Kiko Arguello and Carmen Hernandez to their own use.

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We remind manipulative liar and his associates John Paul II He granted him a five-year approval to experiment in 2002. expired in 2007 the granted test, Benedict XVI, his successor, unspoken following any approval, anything: first he called them back, He rebuked them and then made them wait a further five-year extension. When finally in 2012 approval was granted to the Neocatechumenal Way with a mere administrative act of the Pontifical Council for the Laity, the Pope gave them a real fiery speech, load of warnings and reprimands. Also this speech acts, but it, the brainwashed, They have caught a single opening sentence: "Grateful for indubitable good fruit produced by the Way in recent years …», after that, all tough calls made in that long speech in which Benedict XVI called for the respect of the liturgical rules, authority of the bishops and priests, individual freedom of members of the Movement and so to follow, are all words that are not exactly, for both loggerhead sent to the boarding under the title "A woman and a mother in The Way», both fundamentalists generally Neocatechumenals, sons of a movement "fundamentalist" itself "fanatical and fanatizzante", as defined in the 1983 the Servant of God Pier Carlo Landucci, which I carry at the end of my book the precious and prophetic relationship, followed by the report sent in 1995 the theologian Passionist Enrico Zoffoli the then Vicar General for the Diocese of Rome, Cardinal Camillo Ruini.

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In the article of loggerhead push all'arrembaggio no shortage immodest slinguazzate the reigning Pontiff. Again, however, the columnist fails to mention that in tone and with what harsh words the Pope Francis I turned again to the Neocatechumenal in his official speeches. If I do not mention the talk between these lines, it is only because I brought them faithfully in my book, maintained and documented and all references to the sources and instruments, so I do not repeat myself. Even despite, as their consolidated use manipulative and falsante, extrapolate from these speeches only two good-natured sentences, often only condition, jumping all the reproaches, then repeat the mantra: "The Holy Father approves it, we endorse, in all and for all!».

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I therefore all'improvvida columnist just a few questions, which usually do not respond settaristi Neocatechumenals fundamentalist, because, before certain questions, or change the subject, or raise controversy that are off topic, or attack shamelessly lying and distorting the real data objectively.

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columnist, like any purely Neocatechumenal, In fact, never does not fit into the merits of the accusations of heresy, anything: First twists words and concepts, then reproach me accusing me of heresy to give the heterodox the Popes. Nothing further from the truth, because all the interventions made by the Supreme Pontiffs on the Neocatechumenal Way are Orthodox and fully conform to Church doctrine. Maybe, those two arrogant self-taught by Kiko Arguello and Carmen Hernandez, sorcerer's apprentice theology and catechists-do-it-yourself they meekly obeyed the voice and the repeated warnings given to them by the Successors of Peter!

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Therefore, if the author of This article surreal and mystifying, played entirely on subjective emotions and manipulation of facts and texts, It intends to respond, It should give it to these few, simple and precise questions:

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1 – Because the Neocatechumenal Way does not comply with the approved statute concerning the internal bore, payment of the tithe, which is not expected, or unconditional obedience to the catechists, also not expected?

2 – Because the Neocatechumenal Way does not publish the thirteenth volume of the Directory, as expressly requested by the Holy See in the decree of approval of the 2012 to which reference is made? And because there are a further two volumes dedicated to wedding and honeymoon, never approved by the Holy See?

3 – Because the Way does not respect the liturgical norms contained in the Roman Missal and reaffirmed by education Sacramentum [cf. WHO] continuing to not kneel during the Eucharistic Prayer, comunicarsi simultaneously to the priest, to dance after the Blessing and so to follow?

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I neocatecumenali, They have always been such splendid models of obedience to the Church and the Popes, to the point that Benedict XVI repeatedly rebuked by the competent dicasteries of the initiators of the Neocatechumenal Way, in particular for their unacceptable liturgical abuses, all with repeated official intervention of the Prefect for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, that he came to write him a letter of fire in which his debut saying "I announce to the Holy Father's decisions', that in ecclesiastical language is to say: "We command you ...". Then followed all the directives on the Sacred Liturgy. Is this, like other documents, I am obviously given everyone in my book.

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Repeatedly and public documents the Holy See, the Neocatechumenal was required to abide scrupulously books and liturgical rubrics, indeed he was even forced to write this in their statutes. they, however,, He closed the doors of their lounges, seguitavano and today they continue to do what they want and how they want. For this time it was extended for another five years by Benedict XVI, very devoted and profound was their obedience to the commands of the Roman Pontiff and the Holy Church.

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We come to the last Passover, this year's, to demonstrate to bugiardissima columnist - who knows certain things -, what is really in fact the obedience of the Neocatechumenal, that faced with criticism addressed to them, based on facts and evidence, even dare to react slinguazzando in public the Roman Pontiff. Well: What happened around Italy, in all those dioceses where the bishops have forbidden the Neocatechumenal to do “their” Easter vigil separated from the community of the faithful? This happened: They have rented halls in local hotels, They have hired a complacent priest released by the multinational heretical Seminars mother of The Redeemer, and in total disobedience and scarring with the conditions laid, They have been held elsewhere “their” Easter vigil. But if now the columnist will dare to deny it all, we will start with the publication of the movies, always I am insisting that I speak and write only on the basis of facts and evidence: on the one hand we have in fact written ban given by the diocesan Bishop, the other movies that immortalize the obedient Neocatechumenal celebrating the Easter Vigil in the lounge of a hotel. Therefore, those who disobey and that it sets out from the communion of the Church? Because the output from the communion, It springs from disobedience and is built on disobedience, namely sport as increasingly practiced by the Neocatechumenal, only to attack a priest and a theologian who unmasks them in public, even attempting to defend themselves in pedestrian way slinguazzando at the same time the Pope and saying that I would even be, against the Successor of the Blessed Apostle Peter. But that kind of authentic Mephistopheles shameless shamelessly and without any respect for the truth!

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He can articolista flow attack how sweet "woman and mother are journeying", deny all these facts and, above all acts of the Holy See called me with surgical precision 315 pages of my book? Can it be denied that today, with rare and indomitable arrogance, Neocatechumenals continue to perpetrate serious liturgical abuses of all kinds? I do not say, prove many films shot recently in their communities around the world. Not only: some of these egregious liturgical abuses also attended by the false prophet and bad teacher Kiko Argüello, that gives the homily holding the processional cross like the ministry of a bishop. Tell us the columnist: are perhaps false movies created on a set shooting by a consortium of satanic haters of the greatest gift given to the Church by the Holy Spirit, the Neocatechumenal Way? He who after the proclamation of the Holy Gospel, the Homily, is Kiko Argüello, or his stunt hired by haters Noecatecumenale Way? The assembly of people receiving Holy Communion seated, passing from hand to hand the wine Copponi, who I am? They Neocatechumenal, or of paid extras for set filming set up by haters to make shooting and peddle false movies, therefore highly defamatory to this coven of authentic models of devout obedience to the Church and to the repeated provisions from that date to them?

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Before writing my book I listened for weeks, for hours, catechesis recorded and held by several mega-catechists in which is contained and transmitted the heretical sacro verbo kikiano. Any theologian to which they were subjected those numerous and long recordings, from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, at the end of listening could only answer as I said: so many heresies all together, I had never heard in my life! Tell us the columnist: are perhaps false records created always somewhere consortium of satanic haters of the greatest gift given to the Church by the Holy Spirit, the Neocatechumenal Way? However, if they are authentic, all heresies that these documents are contained and transmitted to the poor settaristi, He should perhaps be taken as genuine truths of faith by virtue of an administrative recognition granted to them by the Pontifical Council for the Laity, with the result that there is anyone who opposes that fact outside the communion of the Church, rant like this "woman and mother are journeying" penning the’begins his delusional article?

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In the early nineties, the man of God wrote the Passionist Enrico Zoffoli:

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"The Neocatechumenal are induced to alter and distort reality and to lie, up to become authentic experts and specialists in the lie ".

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I always shared this analysis which it contains one of the main essences of that poison intra-ecclesial cancer which is the Neocatechumenal Way: a Jewish sect matrix-Calvinist insidiatasi within the Church.

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To be against this blatantly heretical sect, especially for us Pastors and theologians in the care of souls, to which Christ, God has entrusted the care and custody of his flock, in no way implies being out of the communion of the Church, as the exalted Sabrina rant after having made a very indigestible Breakfast at Tiffany's. It means to defend the Church from metastases: the heresy metastases put into circulation by two self-taught praticoni, who have always behaved like two arrogant sorcerer's apprentice, lying and taught to lie to defend the supreme psycho-sect that despises the ratio without which you can not reach the fides [cf. John Paul II, Encyclical Faith and Reason] but, good going, only the worst Fideism ereticalkikiano.

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the Island of Patmos, 15 October 2019

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  1. Thanks, Father Ariel, for his tenacity. These stubborn hardened in evil are irreducible and take, at the end, for anyone tired, but she replies blow for blow, with the strength of TRUTH. Well it's been advised by his father's brother Ivano, God bless you all. In many we prayed that the Lord will raise up a few brave as Father Zoffoli and the Servant of God Pier Carlo Landucci. God has listened to us.
    We are at your side with our witness and in spreading his precious book.

    Pax

    1. Dearest Father Ariel,

      All this is really amazing, talk like that to a priest Noooo ... you can not feel!
      not answer him more, to these it needs an exorcist, poor things have reduced them badly, lobotomizzati.

      1. contact Lilly,

        Thank you, you are right.

        But I can tell her that have come decides and dozens of comments absolutely unprintable. Indeed, as far as I'm concerned, always accept criticism, even some insults, as evidenced by the comments on the various articles published in the sect of the Neocatechumenal during these last months.

        However, the fact that I am depositary Sacramento grace of a dignity that is not mine and are also required to protect with their lives: my participation in the ministerial priesthood of Christ.

        So, when the insult exceeds the limits of decency, we cut. But all of these comments highly insulted – and she can not even imagine, as insulting – however, remain in our archives, to be used in due time.

        As evidenced by the dozens of comments that anyone here can read below, They arrived in the newsroom comments written by people who have not the slightest perception of what is the ministerial priesthood and therefore the dignity of the priest, so also the respect due to the worst priest of this world. What this an unprecedented severity, from people who feel the elect among the elect by the Holy Spirit.

        Without so except for the comments containing insults of malice and an unprecedented aggressiveness - that for my part I had never experienced before, for more from people who claim the Catholic Catholics -, publish the comments coming is useful for explaining to readers, and to those tempted to get closer to that poisonous sect of the Neocatechumenal Way, that we are dealing with a phenomenon made up of people who tried the test of facts:

        1. despise the knowledge and the knowledge of doctrine and theology with great presumption and making their own strength of not knowing;

        2. They are instigated in disrespect to Priests, are de-trained and educated to lie, deflecting speeches, to overthrow the words;

        3. They have been rendered devoid of logic, reasoning and critical sense, so they have a relationship at all adulterated and falsified with reality ;

        4. they have no respect for the Ecclesiastical Authority, their adulation towards the Popes are totally false and aimed only at self-legitimize their heretical sect, indeed, for their, the word Supreme Pontiff, is just a synonym for "approved ... approved ... we have been approved!” ;

        5. They have for half a century the most malicious samples in disobeying the Church and its provisions on doctrine, liturgy and pastoral, but if someone critical advances in this direction, their reverse sides and accuses you of being "against the Popes" and "against the Church" ;

        6. you can ask him a specific question ten times, that ten times overthrow the question to you accusing him of not answering, while they are the ones to proven and documented proof of facts not respond ;

        7. the leaders of the Neocatechumenal Way have deeply despised Benedict XVI and today even more than he despises Francis I, because now they understood that the reigning pontiff can not be manipulated in any way with their games, What demonstrated publicly and documented several times Kiko Arguello in person, But if someone turns critical to their work, Their attack you by saying "You are against the Pope Francis approving it … we endorse … we endorse …” ;

        etc. etc …

        As you will understand, I have much better things to do, that respond to these subjects.
        Try, however, a moment to think this: with their delusions, their illogical comments, their doctrinal ignorance and so on, have provided a wonderful material for a forthcoming book entitled documented more or less: "Perversions of aggressive thoughts of the Neocatechumenal settaristi".

        In fondo, these subjects, that in censored comments they called me "asshole", "Asshole", "Asshole" and so to follow, up to accuse my mother to do ... certain services to truckers, up to insult the very memory of my father, When a response from me given they learned that he had died in his fifties 1990, have ultimately proved their, to be the so-called "balls", because they have practically already written a book to themselves, demonstrating what aberrant brings what they consider to be the greatest gift given to the Church by the Holy Spirit, ie the Neocatechumenal.

        And all these things are strictly recorded in the archive of a site, no one can say that false or falsified are written. Any staff of software engineers immediately attest the authenticity of all these materials, actually delivered to us and then we actually received.

        Here, the amazing service that made themselves, unable to understand that the devil is however intended to be defeated by his own stupidity, fruit from his uncontrollable pride.

        1. The whole heart I wish you could sell millions of copies and who knows maybe one day you might become Pope (How diabolically thought commentator catechumenal), then be weeping and gnashing of teeth for catechumenal journey.
          May God be with the Father Ariel.

          1. Well, at the bottom of, the canonical requirements to be eligible for election to the sacred throne are very few, are only two: being male and baptized.

        2. Padre Ariel,

          I wanted to say that I appreciate and really do my sincere congratulations for the courage he had to publish his book knowing it would be submerged by the mud of the Neocatechumenal, but perhaps he did not imagine to what extent.

          I was in the Neocatechumenal Way for about 25 year old, in different parishes of several cities (I changed twice on business cities) and I know him well enough The vast majority of walkers are people with a very low cultural level, who believe in all the heresies that is being served up, not having all the tools to understand, discern, kikiani compare the teachings of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, etc.…

          In this ignorance is accompanied by arrogance and hubris often own devilish. As he experienced on his skin, their wickedness has no limits. Many bishops and priests are afraid to say something negative about their own walk the retaliation of the Neocatechumenal, we know to be targeted and very cruel, ruthless.

          But she has had the courage and unfortunately it is paying the consequences.

          God bless you, to give glory and give every blessing for his great courage.

  2. I agree with the suggestion Father Ivano. I am sure there are many Neocatechumenal willing to confront critics argued, despite all the defense mechanisms (more or less volunteers) which they are activated in circumstances such as these. Making explicit the ubiquitous contradictions involving the Way, as did Father Ariel article, it is therefore only right. After all, anyone can judge which was (till now) the depth of the criticism of the book in question. Can someone list what theses contained in it have been dismantled and how? And a veil on the topics gooseberry, indeed the real insults addressed to the Author: according to the same logic (fallacious), be wary if I wanted someone to enter the Way would be enough to show a nice roundup of the comments that have rained down in a few days on this site and in various online blogs, comments civil have not even a shadow.

  3. Caro father Ariel, a calumny behind the other… she makes me a great sadness. Among the many that says, I HOPE in good faith to have been misinformed, that of communion is surely the most hateful. There are now so many years that we receive the sacred species standing by a priest just like you, but the most serious is that of “Coppone” that it would go hand in hand. It's false! as the 99 % the things he says! The cup IS BROUGHT BY A PRIEST (as she) EACH FAITHFUL. I hope for his soul that she is really in good faith for having trusted the wrong information, because otherwise it would be very serious. I'm sure you will not publish this comment as others who have not published, but for me the important thing is that she read it.
    Massimiliano Conti

    1. Dear Massimo Conti,

      There are about twenty or thirty his comments to articles devoted to this theme in which screams to falsehood and slander.

      I'm not a blogghettaro but the managing editor of a magazine enrolled and registered to the relevant registers and as such I have a whole series of legal responsibilities on civil and criminal law plan.
      Stop shouting a lie, slander!
      Talk to the Public Prosecutor and quereli me for libel.
      At the same time ask your ecclesiastical court and sue me for having damaged the good reputation of a holy man of God as Kiko Arguello.

      Or should stop once and for all to break the balls with these surreal and fruitless talks that are neither in heaven nor on earth, because I speak and write only on the basis of real facts and evidence gathered.

      Ariel S. Levi Gualdo

      1. Reverend father, she is really a gentleman, and thank you for your attention and of course did not give any response on lies told.
        Cordially
        Massimiliano Conti

        1. Never I will be a gentleman as it was a Great Lady Carmen Hernardez.
          I'll tell you a fact which is proved by a cardinal and a bishop both living, at the time one priest, the other former bishop, and with them many other people present, clergy and laity.
          On the occasion of the Jubilee of 2000 there was a meeting in Rome with the founders of the various movements.
          Father Luigi Giussani, despite being accustomed to college prank and profanity of Student Youth boys, But those in other areas, He saw the pale pale already Chiara Lubich, who he was about to literally fall to the ground, mentre Carmen Hernandez, talking and smoking like a Turk in the classroom, intervallava their speeches by saying "fuck … dick … dick!».

          And she, He grew in the wake of a woman who talked like a whore of a suburban brothel, ironically dares to give the ladies to me?
          It's good, because that I am: a gentleman.
          And’ She, It puts it in the wake of this great woman, per me, the great women, They are Catherine of Siena, Teresa d’Avila, Edith Stein … certainly not that mass of Carmen arrogance and vulgarity Hernandez.

          And now you tell us that it is a slander, and that Carmen was a language model and that his talk was more chastened than that of the Blessed Imelda.
          And please: remember the case of defamation against me, both the Prosecutor's Office is at the ecclesiastical court, for all the slanderous lies that he said I would have said.

          Read my book, It might find in it valid reasons to get out in time by the Neocatechumenal Way, not after thirty years of damage received, like many other people.

          Ariel S. Levi Gualdo

        2. Ridiculous Massimo C. It is a diabolical disingenuous to say that you receive Communion for years standing, wanting to appear obedient to the Church, But omitting that you communicate together by sitting.

    2. Dear Massimiliano,

      I was up to two years ago on the way, the stage of tradition, and an acolyte, therefore always I provvedevo to prepare the liturgy and to serve in it.

      I can say that:

      The Eucharist Distribution was through the priest and myself to everyone who took the bread to his feet and sat, only at the end of the distribution when the priest sat down and pronounced the formula: “Behold the Lamb of God…” It consumed the Eucharist together Spending;

      The Blood of Christ was distributed, always going, and each rising and resided immediately after.
      It was myself that if the Eucharistic Bread and Wine were redundant consumed them immediately to avoid other liturgical abuses I witnessed, such as putting the bread and wine consecrated and consume it after the end of the celebration without understanding what he was doing!

      I can guarantee that it's all true.

      1. Dear Mr. Fabrizio, It is exactly what I said. The reverend father said instead that the cup is passed from hand to hand by the faithful, while the priest or deacon offered it. To hear you guys talk it seems that you factor the statute approved in which it described exactly as it happens. 1) always in the two species. 2) always unleavened bread and wine. 3) receiving standing. 4)in its place. Just as you saw, and as it happens in all communities of the world. Then once they have all received the body of Christ, It communicates the priest and soon after the rest of the community.
        Kind regards
        Massimiliano Conti

        1. listen well,

          I have footage shot in your celebrations:

          1. Rome
          2. Naples
          3. Catania
          4. Munich
          5. Medellin
          6. Rio de Janeiro

          where are people filming receiving Communion seated and that you spend “Coppone” from hand to hand.
          The films were shot between 2013 and 2017.

          Now she chooses a public place, where there are numerous witnesses. I come and I perform movies, then she will have to say and explain, concerning these events, which is not true.

          Because of this she is able: to say that is not true, even and especially before the proven facts.

          I ADD:

          in three of these movies is resumed mega-catechist that after the proclamation of the Gospel a homily, while those of authentic shame priests present, They smile and every mistake of these people make “and, and” with her head.

          the just?

          1. Caro father Ariel, I understand that you are angry and it is more than plausible since it has to navigate between the lies and tells the truth, but his own player, his friend Fabrizio, acolyte which he said he served in various Eucharistic celebrations, described the moment of communion exactly as I have described, ie, as set forth in the approved constitution. I do not know what videos she has access to and if they are of the way, but at least listen to his readers.
            Massimiliano Conti

          2. "I do not know what video she has access to and if they are of the way"

            … ah, Here comes again traveling to the tangent to evade issues and questions.

            In the previous answer I listed filmic documents in my possession.
            You continue publicly to self-get ridiculed by not responding on the merits.
            Then answer:

            I have publicly claimed to have film documents.
            Of the two things the one excludes the other: or I have documents and evidence to say that you have, or I am a liar, braggart.
            And 'this has to match.
            A little while ago I listed as, where and on what dates these movies were filmed.

            Do you feel me a liar?
            The question is very simple.

            Answer ... answers ... answers.
            or silent.

          3. Unfortunately, the Neocatechumenal Way is infamous in his disobedience, to “to adapt” the false obedience comes closest to Peter's bell.

            We have already noted that even mamotreti of various ads change from Spain to Italy, where certain statements riskiest magically “disappear”. Documented.

            I do not wonder at all, therefore, that there are many variations of the only Kiko-designed liturgical.
            De facto, the aspiration of Kiko mortified by the Vatican limitations, It would really was one of the movies mentioned by Father Ariel: all sitting commensally, to party.

            In this context there are those who “adapted” more and some less, and never entirely NONE.
            Distant from the licenses Vatican increase, so we are indoors of the lounges or at most only between neocat. Who do you think will notice?

            Then when they go bishops and even popes, They try to give a tone and adapt to the façade.
            Who knows how many other “variables” and what else, kikiano exist in the world.
            Everyone is right, I think: It does so here, here you there, but NEVER adapting to the bottom.

          4. Dear Free mind always,

            what it says is just what I explain in one of the steps of my book: liturgical abuses are much more numerous and more serious as the groups are in the so-called peripheral areas. And’ Italian dioceses devices, small or large, they tend to do what they want.

            In Rome, for instance, in principle they try to keep within certain limits, because they feel under observation, Especially because they know, despite having placed many of their priests and lay faithful in the vicariate palace and while having in hand around 90 metropolitan parishes of 320, are many pastors and priests with them do not want to have anything to do and that just can not see them. For when a priest, with them, it was burned, burning the remains etched for life, as they have witnessed and written and signed numerous Italian and foreign priests.

            The Romans groups who want to give vent to the worst of extravagance, usually they find somewhere discreet and secluded religious institute in the Castelli Romani area that is home reception service and rent the halls. A quel point, He closed the doors, everything happens. While in the Roman parishes they are much more careful.

            In Italy the primacy of the worst liturgical abuses we have Neocatechumenals groups in Naples and Catania.

            Years ago, in the company of three other priests, we found ourselves in a parish in Monaco of Bavaria where he was being a celebration of the Neocatechumenal, it means that we saw things shameful, including two women during the liturgical action taking place in all respects the functions of the deacon.

            Those are not homogeneous Neocatechumenal celebrations, vary seconded places and groups. The unique and inescapable uniformity is given by the outward symbols kikiani, those are uniform everywhere, because those are the true essences of “faith” neocatecumenale. Instead, with regard to the Eucharist, the way of celebrating and administer it varies from place to place, groups groups.
            What only matters it is that the eucharistic bread is packaged as indicated by Kiko, that the Coppone both the shape drawn by Kiko, to follow with Jewish symbols established by Kiko and so on, those are the only things that wherever it is impossible to do without.

            If the Holy Church there was the chaos at the time that the sacred liturgy ceased to be homogenous and fixed anywhere on identical standards, leaving room for the creativity of priests and thereby creating problems, divisions and bewilderment that today we have before, let alone in a little while’ of years, once buried Kiko, What a lot worse happen in the Neocatechumenal Way.

            Talk about them and their errors is necessary and useful, to avoid saying that other fish fall in their network, but what about their end, This is now inexorably marked.
            Dead Kiko will devour each other, not having the pathological narcissistic done over the years to ensure a so-called succession, then if we get even half of the money and real property, the internal mattanza will also be particularly fierce.
            We'll have to just stay out and assist, as viewers, to their self-destruction.

          5. I add that I think this also denoting chaos: fewer checks are expected, the more we are faithful to kikianesimo and less to Catholicism.

            I do not doubt even a moment of the film Father Ariel, but I admit that we face elsewhere “different”, so is free liturgy…

            For this very dangerous I think the Neocatechumenal sect: when you're used to disobey and to lie, the worst there is no end.

            The idea of ​​Kiko-Eucharist is that of Father Ariel movies, they are the real obedient to kikianesimo, that's the true version of the improvised holy.

            unwillingly in some places they have had to bend, but where it is possible to practice the pure kikianesimo.

            I remember when the catechists we imparted the new provisions: they did so in their own way, they told us that sitting after receiving the bread and the wine was granted, as well as communicate together. Sbolognarono the receiving Communion standing as the whim of some “preconciliare”, accontentiamolo…

            The fact is that the Kikianesimo has just one his doctrine, there are those who follow the letter and who, inevitably must adapt reluctantly. And’ the “unwillingly” that is the problem.

          6. The net is full of videos in which priests instead of doing the sermon, dancing and singing to the beat of music in rich and poor, or you inflatables with a lot of engine, or animals are brought to the altar during the offertory. Celebrations during which the faithful move obsessively and fall with simulated ecstasy, and many others, but possible that video so severe we have them just the father Ariel secret agent?. I do not think you're a liar, but perhaps one that you trusted the wrong information, and for this reason also assist her at the same flop who attended his predecessors in the anachronistic war against the Neocatechumenal Way.
            Massimiliano Conti

          7. I know what I did once, when the traffic police stopped me on the Salerno-Reggio Calabria and with free and without traffic I ran gleefully to an average of 180/190 mph, although the limit was 130?
            I told the agents before they opened mouth: “I passed a lot of the edge and are dead wrong. I hope that you do too badly!”

            She knows what she would do?
            He responded by indicating one after the other all the people which he said would perform worst road traffic offenses, exactly as he did in this his answer psychotic, in order to say in substance … however, I am right and the others are worse, because you do not you take it with them?

            Well.
            to me, those two agents, They smiled and answered me: “Oh well, father. Try to be less sporty, We do not turn a blind eye, we close them own both, because she knows, what should we do”.
            Hers, He knows what they would do, before his response style? The fact they would call someone to come and take, after having stopped the machine and withdrew the separate writing them sitting on the driver's license record that was conducting a reckless driving; and who knows how many other things that were not would be able to find.

            Blind led by the blind !!!
            Such evangelically and heart paternally.

            That said, Now I follow the sage advice just given by IPG in his commentary: talk to you is a waste of time. She decided that the earth is flat, useless to the entire scientific committees show that is spherical.
            For her, the earth is flat and Kiko Arguello supports it on a finger, and that's.

          8. You dear Father, as usual misrepresents the words. I did not say if they were true of those episodes where she'd videos, would be less severe because of priests singing, animals during the offertory and many other shameful of them put videos abound on the net, but I wonder why these videos that we talk about are not on the network and only she has them. Mha… Very strange not to find?
            Massimiliano Conti

          9. Already, I misstated the words, just as if our repartee was not chronologically documented, available for anyone to determine who's never answers the merits by jumping to other arguments and accusations, or turning the talk.

            Well, mi tip: How come, Network, even a child of seven eight years, if not controlled, developed a computer without blocks, You can find all the porn you want, if anything together with the dancer-singing priest during public weddings sings the songs of the Rich&poor, whereas they are not the snuff movie, that do exist? The snuff movie are videos in which a victim was really tortured, raped and murdered, and there is for them a secret market of wealthy amateurs. Yet there, in 2016 the FBI arrested on American soil a group of Asian and sold these in the video amateurs to 250.000 $ each.

            But it, applying its logic, If these evil movies are not found on the network, should not exist, true?

            In conclusion: Take a poor human, privalo of reason, of logic and critical sense, and you will have manufactured the perfect neocatechumenal.

            We do well to fear artificial intelligence, When those like her show the evidence shows that they no longer human intelligence.

            * * *

            Massimiliano, I love her, though I not even know what she looks like, because I have a heart of a pastor and father. I would do anything, to try to bring to reason a person like her. When I succeed in some cases, I say it's about the grace of God, because that is. Instead, when I can, I say it's my fault, for surely I was not able, or I have not been a worthy and appropriate instrument of God's grace.
            People like her think they are in a journey of faith, but in fact they do not reason, we priests are experiencing the most terrible way: a sense of impotence.
            And’ like watching a person die – in this case the soul – without being able to do anything to save her. Certain, It is the agency of man, but when we see people get damaged, without being able to make him understand the harm they cause to themselves, otherwise it makes bad, and it is difficult to say: well, who gives a fuck, free his choice!
            Believe me, Sometimes, with people like her, we end up even feel guilty and responsible.

            Here, this kind of talk, It can only make them a Catholic priest and truly believing and therefore covered by the grace of sacramental status, Kiko can not make them, nor his mega-catechists, for which it is always the fault of others.
            Or maybe, over decades, have you ever heard the star and Kiko “saint” Carmen just wondering … where did I go wrong?
            Never! The others are wrong, others!

            But I'm used to wonder, before people like her: While this does not mean, Where did I go wrong I?
            Believe me, better the comical priests lined the sacramental grace and was still a means of grace, beyond all its demerits, instead of an arrogant and ignorant mega-catechist kikiano.

            God bless you.

          10. Massimiliano,

            please: before launching into an answer to the second part of what the father Ariel wrote in response to his latest post, you think about it, but you think about it really well.
            The priests are able to give a public response like that, all over Italy, perhaps there will be 4 the 5.
            Each of us can have closures, of irragionevolezze, the will to non-dialogue and non-understanding, there I even I, would be glad, she is not the only.
            But it, as a priest 65 years in good conscience tell: before launching into an inappropriate response to the second part of the answer you think about it, because a wrong move could make it really fall into mortal sin.
            Keep in mind that everything has a limit, Also the closure of mind and heart.

          11. Father Ariel Caro, said my old parish priest, God rest his soul, “never to argue with the debater of this world” and I decided to listen to his advice. I hope not to argue with her anymore, I will continue with my morning prayers, my scrutatio, my vespers, she says, are not part of a Spirituality, She also continues with his arguments and to meet the needs of many of revenge pax, Free, Luca, Pluto and Donald Duck. The Way does not need me to be defended by people like you, we think the Church and “Peter” they are 50 years which confirms the faith. I hope to be able to resist writing on this blog when I read other lies and with this greeting.
            Massimiliano Conti

        2. The priest who presides should communicate BEFORE you deploy and how he other priests concelebrating. INSTEAD you say verbatim:

          “Then once they have all received the body of Christ, It communicates the priest and soon after the rest of the community”

          Giving an unintentionally disobedience irrefutable confirmation.

          Already we have not, but the truth is otherwise, The priest even after the deal is announced first but he shows the Body of Christ and the assembly says “the Body of Christ keep us for eternal life” and at this point ALL, PRIEST INCLUSIVE, CI SI TALKING SIMULTANEOUSLY.

          This is ordinarily living in communities. At this point if Father Ariel have provided movies in which he demonstrates that went even beyond this practice, I repeat that it is already against the Roman Missal that neocatechumens They must respect as all Catholics, for you have pain!
          You better give you calm down.

        3. Massimiliano C., she consciously lies. To err is human, continue to. And she is evil because it persists beyond a reasonable limit in a lie.
          In the Neocatechumenal the priest consumes the Eucharist TOGETHER (and not before!!) to all the faithful. Both the priest that the faithful consume the Eucharist SEATED (and not standing as they should). In 25 year journey has always been so and she knows it.

          1. Her who her mind is Mrs. Paola, I come from you do so. Immediately after the ritual formula for the priest to communicate and immediately communicate to all other. If you were doing otherwise you were wrong. I had decided to stop responding in this den of wickedness blog, but his comments so bad I could not resist.
            Massimiliano Conti

          2. Massimiliano, “next” means that as soon as the priest he put in the mouth of the Eucharist, When the Sacred Species are still in his mouth and has not yet approached the chalice, also shall communicate neocat: you can possibly deny this?
            You know why when you communion under both species, the two species are consumed almost simultaneously just to signify their union indissoluble theological even if we approach the Eucharist under a single species?

    3. Mr. Conti,

      should not be put into question the good faith of those who study certain phenomena because if the studies are conducted methodically and based on texts and speeches of the initiators, These studies are a service to the Church and also to yourself that the way they're part.

      It should be understood that today heresies are not immediate but pass by sophisticated manipulations of language. They lead to deconstruct granite certainties handed down for centuries to rebuild them according mindset and systems of thought born out of the church for purposes often anti-Christian. Ariel P has struck down several false teachers starting from what they say to understand what they think and what spirit animates them.
      the Liturgy, Excuse me, but do not play the innocent, liturgical drifts “I walk” They originate in the way of conceiving the liturgy and then the way his teachers included the documents of the Church and we can not come to pass off his path as “integrally faithful to Church teaching” as does the Bosu because it is an insult to the intelligence of those who read and to yourself.

    4. Don ariel I have no theological expertise to replicate. One thing I must say to him, where the bishops have banned the Easter Vigil of the Community, NO ONE has made Hotel, for explicit prohibition of the initiators and territorial held responsible. If there are vigils took place outside of the parishes, These occur only where the vigils for the communities are allowed but NOT in Hotel (those are the cohabitation ie withdrawals). It is evident that she has never even lived a simple moment of meeting, knowledge and comparison with any community. He did cmq a book (!).
      He laments the lack of reply on the merits, Kiko has never done or rather did it in the appropriate fora, for her will not make an exception I. Little known among the last 2500 priests ordained in the Redemptoris that defines heretics and ignorant there are many, but many, titrated at least as much as she. I have the honor to know one such, speaks 8 languages, a degree in philosophy, then in the history of the Middle Ages in a foreign Catholic universities, then baccalaureate, licentiate and doctorate nostrani, a couple of hundreds of academic papers, a university. Leaving everything to one place…

      1. But how do…
        Tal Luca tries to claim that he “SA” ALL of the community to which the Easter Vigil was banned obeyed. Or did an extensive survey in the various dioceses, impossible, or shoot yet another bullshit, which is very possible.

        You can know if you have ad hoc reports, maybe even documented.
        To write a book, and then, you do not need experience in the Way, just read the mamotreti and heresies become immediately obvious, for those wishing “hear”. Just hearing hundreds of confessions, to understand that pulls air.

        As for the Supreme Laico Kiko who do not “scomoderà” to make exceptions to reply to a priest, is ancient history. The locations in which he always replicated are the “sue” locations, where it could also say that the witch is holy because it falls on the day of Epiphany, and we all believe.

        Kiko does not replicate because there “TO” replicate and does not want to give prominence to his heresies. Kiko speaks only to “his People”, He never entered into dialogue with the Church.

        Turning to the individual cases of “instructed” Neocatechumenal, if savings, one swallow does not make a summer…
        The “people neocat” It has made ignorant of faith.

      2. Dear Luca,

        let's start with an example related to the universal Church: in certain areas of the world, going to 10 Masses celebrated by 10 several priests, we find that these celebrate 10 put different.

        I found myself in the celebrations held in churches in some African countries in which only lacked the Boys Choir of the Sistine Chapel, because it seemed to be a celebration in a direct Roman basilica by Bishop. Guido Marini. I found myself in other churches in other African countries where the only offertory procession was a long, uninterrupted and exhausting dance of half an hour in tribal costumes. I recognized the features of the Catholic Mass when the priest recited the Eucharistic Prayer, although with a gesture totally outside from what is indicated in “red lines” the Missal.

        I found myself in a parish church in Zürich where the faithful were sitting on the floor in a circle around the altar and in the course of the celebration were Buddhist meditation; and I found myself in another parish church of Zurich, where the celebrant did a sigh or a gesture other than those mentioned in the Roman Missal, with a precision and a commendable devotion.

        That the liturgical reform is not particularly well managed and that in the post-council there has been a gradual attack on the liturgy undermined by abuse and wild creativity, he did not tell the bishop Marcel Lefebvre, but said the, explained, written and variously complained about the Supreme Pontiff Benedict XVI. One to whom, many Neocatechumenal, they pretend to love, and then, in many small rooms, anything you say …

        The liturgy must be based on fixed and steady and rigid canons, because in them he resides always what is the fundamental element of the universality of the Church. Make unstable liturgy, it means undermining the principle of universality in the name of the particularity and particularism.
        So much for the universal Church.

        That the Neocatechumenal have tried in every way to be a liturgy whole their, I say so, they complained officially, writing and several times with the competent dicasteries of the Holy See. You can not distort the objective fact: in 2007, approval expired to experiment granted by the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II, Successor gave no approval. From 2006 They began as precise demands of adaptation and respect for liturgical norms of the Church. Cardinal Francis Arinze, Prefect of Divine Worship, not acted on motu Propriothe, but on the orders of Benedict XVI.

        The Neocatechumenal Way is not a monolith, not celebrated in all the halls of the world exactly the same way. What wherever they, because those are mandatory, are the I Mboli kikiani, the Eucharistic bread made as directed by Kiko, goblets designed by him, the menorot and so.
        Simple consequence: more Neocatechumenals are far from Rome or some great Italian dioceses, longer do what he wants and how he wants, liturgically.

        No mega-catechist, in a parish church of Rome would do the homily instead of the priest, because they would leave the protests and the Vicariate would intervene. Whereas, in Monaco of Bavaria, I have seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears, twice, a mega-catechist do the homily instead of the priest after the proclamation of the Gospel, My brother and an Australian, twice, He turned the video. It all happened in a central historic church of the Bavarian capital of which is Archbishop Cardinal Rainhard Marx.

        The Neocatechumenal Italian, their particular extravagance, They tend to do in outlying areas, certainly not in the halls of large metropolitan parishes.

        In a Church of Medellin and elsewhere in the Caribbean, i neocatecumenali, to receive Communion, They would sit around the square table and then is passed from one to another the Coppone, after having taken the Communion from themselves by a large "bowl" left by the priest at the altar. Then they got up and left the seat to others, who sat and took Communion from themselves and passed the wine Coppone; and so for the most laps, until all present had made the Communion, sitting and passing the Coppone. And this movie is, along with other documents.

        Before the ban “private vigils” by some Italian bishops, many groups have adapted, Neocatechumenal other groups have reacted in this way: they went into a neighboring diocese where the bishop had decreed that ban, or they have found themselves in a discreet place, in a hotel out of town, they called a priest complacent, and they made the vigil as they wanted. And it all happened not in my fantasy, but in different areas of Italy, and segnalarmelo, with due evidence, were my fellow priests.

        Keep in mind that in Italy we 226 diocese, I doubt that the central committee of the Neocatechumenals can keep perfectly under control everything that happens in them, figure: he can not the Holy See and they can not do the same bishops, know and control what happens in their dioceses. How can she say that you can not do that in different places is rather done?

        I do not go over with examples, I can only tell you that if in years of business journalism, and after several written books, with hundreds of articles published, I never caught a sentence, this means that, or tell the truth, or they are particularly good at telling lies. In my load they were deposited in 2015 and in 2017 two lawsuits for alleged libel "line press". They were immediately filed because there were no elements at my expense. naturedly soprassedetti, because I could, sue the two unwise for having made the subject of a lawsuit unfounded.
        I repeat: or are good at lying, or tell the truth.

        I'm glad you know a priest Neocatechumenal polyglot who speaks eight languages ​​and so on, but the facts show that in half a century old and over 100 open seminars, the Neocatechumenal Way has not yet given the Church a philosopher, a theologian, a canonist, ecclesiologist a known and recognized talent.

        Because these gifts by the Neocatechumenal Way to the Church have not been made, It is obvious: can, ignorant of the mega-catechists, who consider reason and intellectual speculation pride, because what counts is the only “charisma” and what “spirit”, to create and cultivate talents to the best to their highest development?

        Did you ever listen to hours and hours of recorded ramblings of Kiko and Carmen? I have listened to them for weeks, I can tell you wanting more: Spanish I speak Italian better myself who are these two, because their Spanish is very dirty and poor vocabulary.

        Or: read the catechesis in which, the two self-taught catechists do-it-yourself stuffed with “charisma” and “spirit”, mocked philosophical knowledge, metaphysical speculations, theological research ... all based on the fact that, those who have “charisma” and “spirit”, though more ignorant of Tibetan goats, They do not need another?

        They are done, records and documents not subject to denial. This, for several decades, They taught those two sorcerer's apprentice. For this, They have given rise to an aggregation run by ignorant people who can not build-philosophy talents, theology, the right, of Ecclesiology …

        That is also the reason for which his brothers attacked me around the net trying to hit my person, giving me ignorant, the "priest pischello”, absolute nullity, the non-theologian and so on, because they can not deny the merits of what I wrote true. If you are sending the attack Mrs. Sabrina Bosu shift that opens his article with a theological aberration and then go on to describe the baptismal journey tracing the erroneous principles of the heresy of the Cathars and the Albigensian.

        1. DON Ariel then, it just so happens that it was in Medellin I have a friend and fellow presbytery, belongs to the category of priests meager equipment (in your opinion) with 2 degree courses and a couple of doctorates (starting with a diploma in accounting and a job as an accountant in an asphalt plant, before the seminar), I guarantee with granite certainty that what he saw was not a Eucharist celebrated by a priest nc, in particular them. I tell you who tells him (to me)? He sees this sense that she actually wrote a book WITHOUT having the foresight to at least talk with a priest who follows this route, because it may seem incredible, but the path is the same worldwide, the only places where the liturgy changes are…. Where I am not using the Latin rite. Do not believe me, the Internet is full of videos of masses of the way, They are all the same all over the world. A Monaco (confirms his lack of knowledge of the way) she felt a resonance (the faithful) not a homily (following), if he went to a Mass in Rome he would have seen the same thing. You can not write a book WITHOUT meet personally with these heretics.

          1. I do not know what she's diocese incardinated, cmq there are 8 seminars in Italy: Rome, Florence, Pinerolo, Trieste, Cosenza, Campobasso, Ascoli and Macerata, a chat if he could do. Good night

          2. Of, she has in Medellin Friend? Instead I, as well as having many friends and fellow priests that I know well, in that, as in other cities of Colombia, I was there.
            She's been? Because if there was, of two, hearsay, it is she who speaks, I hardly.

            Let's move on to another's challenge, that concerning the events that took place in Germany: first she knows, It includes, I understand and speak German?
            Since he writes one understands anything: she writes and speaks ill also the Italian.
            That said: as it allows, she was not present and that if he had been he would not including language, say that I have not seen what I saw and that my Australian brother who was with me in that church during celebration kika where he shot a video, actually it turned a fake video?
            I know perfectly, which runs between a difference “resonance” it's a “homily on the Gospel”, you do not need me to explain it she.
            That said I confirm:

            1. was a Mass Neocatechumenals;
            2. celebrated in a metropolitan church of Monaco of Bavaria;
            3. twice he was filmed a woman, role mega-catechist, that after the proclamation of the Gospel has held the homily.

            Back in Rome, we handed the footage to the then Prefect of Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments.

            And she dares to write that this is not true, I have not seen what I saw and, if I really saw, in this case I have seen evil, because he says, He affirms and guarantees her?
            Please, does not exceed all limits of decency of the ridiculous, merely make it right the lounge chairs and playing the bongos.

  4. Ah insist Massimiliano? Look, here we are more stubborn than you.
    At the time of “battles” (so he called Carmen, just to be precise) with the Congregation for Divine Worship I was in the Way and are witness to all. A continuous war for not correcting anything according to precise instructions of the Holy See.
    I lose myself in not refute talk two things FUNDAMENTAL:

    1.
    You say you are years that take the Body of Christ standing.
    Well NOW YOU ARE SITTING WITH BREAD IN THE HANDS ON THE CROSS AND STAY SEATED AS’ until the President does not return to its place, with the bread in the hands too and, to its signal, “The Body of Christ keep us for eternal life” consumed ALL TOGETHER FROM SITTING…including crumbs, raccattandole badly in your palm (the tasks) and there are those who scatters…
    2.
    The “Coppone” that is, like salad bowl, the container (I'm not going to call him chalice) conceived by Kiko with the angles from which you have to drink, delivers the priest that runs in the assembly. I always sit brethren stand up, take “Coppone” IN THEIR HANDS in which the priest lets, drink a big gulp and riconsegnano…

    1. I feel to add to what was said by Pax, which is the sacrosanct TRUTH’ that, for those who have finished the Way with the passage of Election, during the fifty between Easter and Pentecost, It is introduced another liturgical deformation.
      Not everyone knows, only those who have finished the Way, there is not even written in the statutes, but willingly I will break the '”arcane”.
      In those 50 days, who got the “white garments” should celebrate the Eucharist every day (something that almost never happens for lack of priests), doing a procession from outside the church wearing the robes.
      Eucharist INSIDE, the first week of the fifty, He drinks MILK AND HONEY, prepared by porters, kept warm in person thermos and passed by the priest himself (as the cup of wine) in a cup that we had clear, while the priest says: “Taste and see how good the Lord” while singing a special song, just for that week “How to drop the honey from the bee honeycomb”, ODE Solomon.
      Here you really feel “details”, “elected”, “only”.
      Too bad that the rite of the Mass does not permit such additions….

    2. Don Ariel excuse me if I write badly, It is my limit, cmq I think I'm at least decipherable. You see, you confirm what I have written before, She has written a book WITHOUT deal first with a priest who is living this path. She cites Bishop. Investment, sees, he had the opportunity before and after that to face the document and he did. The do a news as did Mgr. Woeki (the vesvoco who asked feria IV for Kiko) and by the way the road is present and active in old and new diocese that guides, no Ban, indeed his auxiliary is also kikos (valued). Good day.

        1. Certainly.
          For now they are over 500 the comments in this regard say that what I assert is not true and that I am a drug dealer of false statements.
          As soon as we get 1.000 we do a good service and we publish all.
          Then come other 2.000 comments to clarify that they are false video, or that are not Neocatechumenal.
          You will see if you will not go exactly like that.

      1. … and what comes off topic, never enters into the merits of the issues and on time and the penalty does not respond to the questions would be me?

  5. The neoturbopsicocatechista, instead of focusing sull'insignificante quisquilia goblets, It should simply reply to 3 questions, otherwise it is better to be silent.

    Or maybe as good kikiano did not read the full article, for fear of “to judge” or “conceited”, sins that the doctrine kikiana They are synonymous with “thought” and “intellect”.

    tell us, dear neophyte the guarantees patron, the Way respects the internal bore during the ballots? Or you continue to ask people if you use birth control or if you are having premarital sex, just to stop at two examples.

    When the directory will be published?
    And for what publisher?

    At last, the Roman Missal is respected in every way?

    The stop producing idiocy in excess of the allowable limit and meets. answer. answer. answer. answer. answer. answer. answer. answer…

  6. In the years 90, Mons. Jn-Pawel Lenga invited the Movement Neocatechumenal (MNC) to his diocese of Karaganda in Kazakhstan. The preparative work made him the then Padre Athanasius Schneider, now auxiliary bishop under Mons. Tomasz Peta, in the capital of Astana.

    Mons. Lenga, a Ukrainian who previously belonged to the Polish Congregation of Marian Fathers, based in Lichen in Poland, He allowed the MNC to open in his Diocese of Karaganda a seminar mother of The Redeemer that, just nine months later he quit canonically.

    The Marian Fathers, his Brothers, had and still have a parish in Karaganda, where they do not hide the fact that they want to spread the MNC to all parish in the Diocese and beyond, and even anywhere in the former Soviet Union!

    With six and a half million euro had the "seer” Austrian lady Agnes Ritter, to whom Our Lady had asked to build a Basilica in the Altai mountains, the bishop, later the Aricivescovo, Lenga and the future Bishop Schneider, they began in the 2002 the construction of a new cathedral dedicated to Our Lady of Fatima.

    I arrived in Karaganda a week before the Nuncio, Mons. Marty Miguel Buendia, he asked Mons. Lenga in 2011 to retire for the sake of peace, the Mother House of the Marian Fathers at Lichen.

    Once the new Cathedral, the same Nuncio sent Mons. Schneider as Auxiliary to Astana in 2012.

    In 2013, Mons. Lenga told me personally that was forced to close the seminar mother of The Redeemer because of cases of homosexuality. He added:

    "My biggest mistake was not to have sent away from all the dioceses of 'Central Asia under its jurisdiction all the MNC. Since it is only a catechetical movement, I allowed them to continue to make the neo-evangelism, while prohibiting their quasiasi liturgical activity. That was my biggest mistake, because they made me an opposition campaign in all parts, and now I retire for the sake of peace,».

    I conclude by saying that I will definitely read the book of the Father Ariel S. Levi Gualdo, allowing me to underline the great stylistic value of the book of the Father Enrico Zoffoli,C.P., criticizing Kiko according to him inconsistent with the documents of Vatican Council II which claims to enjoy as much.

    Father Enrico Zoffoli shows how "The Heresies of Neo-Catechumenate" are in contradiction with the principles and declarations of the Second Vatican Council that he, Kiko, It purports to put into practice.
    A master stroke!

    1. Dear Brother priest of the Passionists,

      I thank you for your testimony.
      My book is supported by dozens of testimonies from priests like you, that I have made them received during the processing of the text from Italy and various foreign countries, especially from Spain and Latin America.

      As I explained to you in the private message I sent you, my job I wanted to dedicate two great Roman priests and theologians: Pier Carlo Landucci and your brother Passionist Enrico Zoffoli. Defined in my book I devote the start as "prophets unheeded who reported first to the Ecclesiastical Authority heresies of the Neocatechumenal Way".

      While writing, I so recommended to them.
      For as you know, the Roman priest Pier Carlo Landucci, The Diocese of Rome has opened the process of beatification, that goes along with that of another Passionist your brother that I myself had the honor of meeting: Father Candido Amantini.

      1. Dearest father Ariel, It allows me to laugh and to invite you to laugh?

        I was in the Way 21 year old, the age of 15.
        The son of two catechists, yet I became a catechist, I met Kiko and Carmen, and to agree with Ariel's father can only say that one of the most vulgar and foul-mouthed women I've met in my life was just Carmen Hernandez.

        First, behind what defines the father Ariel “poor” Sabrina Bosu, author of the article The cross, There are at least two or three neokatekiki, those who think they understand everything and have the gift (the Holy Spirit them, clearly) to frame it all. It's “poor” Sabrina was exposed to what Carmen would call in his Spanish-Italian … “Figure de cock” (Figure Cock), because he spoke the noblewoman, even inside the nave, many, too many we heard.

        But have you noticed that comment after comment, insult after insult, offense behind offensive launched around the blogs and on Facebook against Father Ariel, No one denies the merits? No one who has written … from page to page tot tot of his book is written this, and it is false for this, this and that reason, according to this, such and such a test.

        The Neocatechumenal (and so at that time I was also unfortunately) It is devoid of the ability to measure the opponent. The Neocatechumenal feels unassailable and invincible.

        Reading today's writings and comments of these people to Sabrina Bosu feel tremendous sadness, frankly not for them but for me, because I see myself in that way when I realized how I was.

        I said that since the neocatecumenale is devoid of the ability to measure the opponent, it happened that these small kikos chihuahua they started to play not only with a rotweiller, but worse: with a rotweiller trained for combat.

        before “padre Rotweiller” the kikos have lost, although not realize it, because no bishop, no cardinal, no one inside the Vatican would never scold, it only tells the truth, one that many bishops, cardinals and many others within the Vatican would like to say but can not. So if they enjoy authentic as the mandrills “father Rottweiller” attacked by kikos chihuahua They can not even budge a millimeter, obviously.
        Padre Ariel, is not she in addition to being a theologian (his book was not to be in this space to denials) is also a “diabolical” diplomat?

        admit “padre Rotweiller”, She is having fun like crazy, to get them barking, admit it! It enjoys because his book is built on facts and unassailable truth. You as the pubblicizzaste 15 September, I ordered the 23.30 of 15 September, I received it on the morning of 18 September and … I devoured with gusto indicibile.Tanti compliments for the cover, paper and graphic, I worked several years in the publishing field and immediately recognize a quality product.

        You lose kikos, because you have not been able to measure the enemy, because they grew up there, to you as I grew, without a sense of measure, the proportions, of ridicule. I though I left off, a very high price, losing parents and siblings who have disowned me as a traitor.

        Meanwhile, the kikos chihuhua bark at “father Rottweiller”, a real hoot, a crazy fun, if we take into laughter.
        Thus, heretic shall die your way: ridiculous.
        And the ridiculous die, because Kiko and Carmen are not laborers in the vineyard of the Lord, but wild boars that are devastating.

        1. dear Paul,

          I fully share all of what you write, and you made me really smile. They will be overwhelmed by the ridiculous. I agree with you, just let them express.

          As you have been years in the journey and confirm your testimony about Carmen. A vulgar woman, cynical and without the slightest self-control so that everyone could see it was, especially in the travel partnerships to which I have long participated.

          Knowing them I also think that Sabrina is only the screen of those who have the courage to put his face. Or rather they are exacerbated but not wanting, in their superiority, give importance to this book that fell on his head as a tile. Over the rest of the proud they are unique. They launched a woman, mother, wife.

          Last thing. I am convinced that the Truth never damages ago. In the claimed process of doing good to stifle the scandals VIVE burying the victims who have NEVER found justice and covering the worst rapists (Style management story of pedophile Apuron) “WHY NO SE SI DESTROYING THE WAY”.

          They must defend their! What kind of “Work of God” is, I wonder, in their own eyes? DUMB snake oil salesmen, broken to sin …

        2. I read on Wikipedia, the voice Rottweiler: “This dog is described as balanced, Protective and determined, trainable, brave, independent and faithful to the master to whom abundantly repays affection and care that are offered.

          Anyhow, the instinct to defend the country's, this dog, very strong, and his reaction against what it perceives as territorial threats can be fatal.
          (…)
          The Rottweiler is a dog mostly guard and self defense.”
          In conclusion, in my eyes an almost perfect description.

          Thank you for the comment and for the final commentaries: at the end of certain situations can only die in ridiculous.

  7. The p essay. Levi Gualdo has nothing to do with politics but is politically incorrect, because many of those who fight in pro life and family campaigns come from Neocatechumenal Way.

    Probably so many will wonder: Levi's criticism of Gualdo not weaken, in definitiva, our "front", moreover, already devoid of adequate support on the part of the CEI bishops?

    The point however is another: Faith feeds the whole truth or political commitment? Political commitment to the non-negotiable principles that is to put in brackets the question of the truth of Faith? That being said the essay by Levi of Gualdo is very informative and useful. Belonging to a church or political group should not inhibit our freedom to seek and reason.

    1. No evil can commit or be entitled to pursue an asset! And’ all too evident. This speech is then, in the context of the Neocatechumenal, intolerable as the beautiful theory of protecting the “well” way I saw in there to consume the greatest injustice against the defenseless, of victims of violence who were NOT denounce but to forgive and to love the torturer…otherwise you are proud and you feel better! I will not dwell, of these things we have spoken countless times, but the nausea is always the same, unbearable.

  8. falsehood?
    No one ever answered neocat of Sankiko esorciccio.

    Massimiliano how about? Listen Sankiko of a href = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl1vv1dEiiU

    -He says that the Holy Spirit is manifested in the form of a dove.

    -Proclamation exorcisms (!!!) every time you get in a city (min. 07,52). The Church forbids the laity. Exorcist is just a priest appointed by the bishop.

    -Everything he does say that it was God who ordinarglielo, no objections.(min. 15,40)!

    -Bolla as “of left”of priests guilty of daring to challenge it whistling (min. 13,55). HE does not accept criticism: is “the new John among you”!

    Kiko has committed serious abuses or not?

    Then S. Carmen (should read Sora Carmen) He boasted that Our Lady would call her "blessed are you among women" of incaricandola “refound the Church”. Because from the Way site has disappeared page where Extinct Dear told the prodigy? If it was true why hide it when we wrote Observatory? Or was it a lie?

    Massimiliano, Kiko says that you are inspired, you should have no difficulty answering arguing. Prove that is true.

    Thanks father Ariel, ex still give.

    1. That the Holy Spirit as a dove, to add a special fun, It could ultimately also seemed to be his true, as in China they use and used doves-spy drones as the Chinese government's surveillance system.

      https://www.dronezine.it/59359/droni-uccello-per-la-sorveglianza-la-cina-svela-il-programma-colomba/

      This is a site for example reported, there are dozens on this issue.

      Can you imagine Kiko and company, the highest tower in the capital, suspiciously assembrati, be the victims of a dove-drone which they mistake for the Holy Spirit?

      When I heard of this Chinese mode, I could not help but smile…

      Well, some, the devil uses all means to convince those who heed…

  9. Padre Ariel , us former Neocatechumenals , escaped from the sect, with so many painful wounds and broken bones , We salute your book as a result of Divine Providence.
    FINALLY , the truth has been revealed.
    There are no words to describe how I feel, I tell you one…
    THANKS !!!!!!!!
    LUCA

  10. After reading the reasons of the two irreconcilable factions, I would propose the:”TEST OF FIRE”. The one who will burn your feet, or refuse to go on burning coals, will definitely wrong according to God's judgment: consequently it will be condemned to go the way of Savonarola in the public square!! Che ne dite? A desperate times, desperate measures!

  11. Caro father Ariel,

    thank book, I bought and read, and I tell me that I have to read to deepen the contents.
    Thank you very much.
    Let me give you a little advice, ignorant person I am: go after people like Maximilian and others, that is, not who engages much, do not drag through the mud, is like talking to a wall. If God will let him get the truth inside your head, here is that all the words in the world do not need. These people are fanatics, They want to see what suits them see, they are hypocritical, judge others, with slander, what they do, that is, those things that think they see on others, here is that they are the first to make them.

    She said good of Kiko, on social life that makes. Kiko I have not personally known, but it is as if I had met, because I met her godchildren, catechists zone, by region, and various priests, and also the external cooperators, because, dear father Ariel, we must know that in the dioceses there are those who have taken on the Way, and they were not Neocatechumenal, and who cultivated, In the true sense of the word.

    I read the testimonies of priests who opposed the Way, and I read what happened. A person who enters the church, and he puts his hands on a priest who is preparing to say Mass can only be devilish, I do not say this to offend, I say this because I believe, and I'm quite sure that is so.

    But, dearest father, I have also seen the opposite of what: I saw him give a faithful priests. That, I saw with my own eyes, fanatical priests, and some do not Neocatechumenal, but complacent, they gave him, thinking that it was violating the Sabbath of God (I put it to the evangelical manner, who knows will understand what I mean). They believe they use God himself, holders of truth and reality, and they think they direct people as they want. That is believed to determine vocations (remember the case of the two priests who persecuted, whose comments on your site), They believe define the lives of others, They believe they can judge anyone, They see Divine signs everywhere, even if a mosquito flying, so here it is a divine sign, and do much more. I always strive to manipulate others for their own advantage.

    He also left some sort of future council, ie to cover the Way. I repeat from memory, and things are followed in the distance, not nigh. Practically admitted errors, but it is not entirely repentant. I think there is a problem of view, of congenital blindness. Now it occurs to me that the sign was a Franciscan friar on Portiuncula, that is, he saw many people around the Portiuncula, blind, who turned his eyes to Heaven to receive the Light. I believe that we are well, but we do not think that the Way is the Portiuncula, It would be a serious mistake. I believe that the Way is its blindness suffered by these people, ie that blindness, they call Way, is the source of their evil, and the impediment in being able to live a healthy life in God.

    Greetings and may God preserve.

    IPG.

  12. Caro father Ariel,

    I also bought and read the book; It is really interesting and compelling.
    How I wish one day be able to meet in person and maybe confession from her.
    God willing.

    Safety fraierai

  13. Good evening.

    I will purchase the book and give it to my mother-in-law (which is part of the journey), to which I want very well and with whom I have an excellent relationship… hoping not to seem arrogant or disrespectful…
    we hope well!

    Chiara

  14. When one does not know that […] CENSORED

    Editor's note
    the comment was censored because it contains serious insult to the dignity of the priesthood

  15. I do not know what Paul wrote. It matters little. But because they take so much? They have with them the Pope, we are isolated, So what are they afraid? Because such reactions decomposed? We should be desperate, yet we are calm, with so much pain, but in the hope that the end is near now! I will answer, even if our readers, Massimiliano to comment this morning hours 9 e min.:
    Too easy to liquidate as Father Ariel “debater of this world”. But… glad you…! Even more convenient tie the epithet of vengeful per pax (that's me) and companions. Flattering is instead the combination of the legendary Pluto and Donald Duck, immortal characters and full of healthy feelings, able to share, True friends.
    I repeat: Glad you, everyone happy. Do well to get away from us, better to continue peaceful path laid out for your. We, with your permission (but also without) we do our – whenever we feel confirmed in our daily prayer – and, regardless, unless you intervene more, maybe it's better for everyone. Wise decision.

  16. The writer is certainly the last he can speak but the signs are so obvious that the Church is really under the attack of the evil one, and the priests are confused.

    There are those who want to do the ultramodern, pastors attending gleeful gay wedding, others grant the halls of the parishes in communist militants (and declared atheists) a Muslim tricks (But if you go to ask for help with a Muslim family that is for a couple of weeks without a home you warmly to send municipal social services. I had to fix it I), others make salviniani just because the kiss crucifixes and consecrates (of!) this poor country to Madonna.

    One day I happen to end up in a celebration of the Neocatechumenal: When they saw me in there, everyone smiled at me and showed me a diligent friendship, as soon as I left (fast enough in truth) they no longer even recognized me on the street (people then known for years!).

    The churches are empty, There are only old. All to give the peace sign running from one bank with a smile, outside the church do not greet anyone.
    May God have mercy on us.

    1. Caro Robert,

      if he wants, to give reason, I tell her singing the Gregorian chant, as when singing the preface of feasts and solemnities:

      It is truly right for, right and availing,
      We should at all times and in all places:
      Sir, Father, Almighty and eternal God
      […]

      Translation: It is truly meet and right, affordable and healthy,
      that we, always and everywhere, We thank you,
      O Holy Lord, Father Almighty, eternal God […]

  17. If you get to sell 1.000.000 copies of the book, The will give the Nobel of theology and even the much-coveted secret episcopal office: my sense of smell ( sensitive as His) I suggest that your social climbing is huge, but He, you unwisely called Pol Pot, The held well away from the control spheres. If you make a right.

    1. My dear and poor Domenico,

      a priest who had had ambitions that she paints, It would have behaved in a way diametrically opposite, What this also understand that a clever boy just come in early adolescence.
      Therefore, to achieve similar purposes, I wrote and so talked about pounding:

      1. Church “poor for the poor”;
      2. Church “in uscita”;
      3. Church “field hospital”;
      4. Church “accogliente e includente” to all that it is not Catholic;
      5. I decried the moral of John Paul II and I would have destroyed the magisterium, But except make him a saint;
      6. I disparaged the notion of Liturgy of Benedict XVI, ironic that “thank God he did waiver, because otherwise, In brief, we would have seen out with the tiara on his head over the chair gestatoria”;
      7. I would have written articles and books on migrants, giving life to the theological concept that “the poor and the migrants are the body of Christ”.

      In conclusion, my dear and poor Domenico: I would have done exactly what they did all these my brethren that, acting in this way, bishops have become really. And I can guarantee: We were also selected many of the worst elements of the Priestly College, several of which have recognized and previous moral problems, but above all doctrinal. But only they spoke poor, migrants, epochal revolution and so on …

      What about me, if you had chosen the path of the hypocrites, the opportunists and turncoats, doing what is contained in the points 1-7, having perhaps even more skills and talents they, I would not have become one bishop, but today I would be a member of the College of Cardinals. And as Cardinal I would play on the cardinal's coat of arms instead of grabbing Christ Peter sinking in the waters [cf. Mt 14, 29-31], grab a Muslim migrant from the boat near Lampedusa a non-profit organization that flies the Netherlands flag, giving due regard to the Caritas canteens to eliminate from the pork meat foods.

      Of the Holy Father John Paul II I have criticized – as the Church and canon law recognize me and allow me to do – having granted approval to experiment in the Neocatechumenal Way 2002 and, before, in 1988 much worse: the granting of the opening of the first Seminar Redemtoris Mater allowing this congregation affected by serious doctrinal errors and liturgical abuses, even the clergy to form a proper measure.

      Of the Holy Father John Paul II I have never criticized or questioned the splendid Magisterium or all data acts of its supreme authority, nor do I have participated in recent years the destruction luciferin of the Pontifical Academy for Life.

      Of the Holy Father John Paul II I made my great admonition and a great invitation that follow me and affects my priestly life today: “Do not be afraid, open, wide the doors to Christ and his saving power”. He said: “Open wide the doors to the migrant Muslim”, he said “open wide the doors to all that is not Catholic”. He said their: “Open wide the doors to Christ”.

      therefore, someone like me, He can have career ambitions in the same way that a critic of the Soviet regime of the fifties could aspire to enter the parliament of the State Duma under the regime of Stalin.

      Thank you my dear, poor Domenico, in my name and Readers, for his analytical judgment confirming the intelligence, the logic and the relationship with the real typical neocatecumenale-model.

      read what I wrote four years ago, He will have undeniable proof of what I just wrote, proof that only you and those like her, can deny:

      https://isoladipatmos.com/stanno-buggerando-il-santo-padre-salviamo-pietro-i-peggiori-gattopardi-trasformisti-stanno-giungendo-in-pauperistica-gloria-allepiscopato/

      https://isoladipatmos.com/vescovi-mode-e-consigli-per-i-nuovi-carrieristi-siate-poveri-sciatti-e-caricaturali/

      1. ahiahiahi ...
        Mr. Reverend has cheated with his own hands because he writes

        "Of the Holy Father John Paul II I have never criticized or questioned the splendid Magisterium or all data acts of his authority sum"

        After stating that a critical act of its highest authority.
        clown!

        1. This is yet another proof of falsante and manipulative style of kikos: extract from a speech precise and articulate a sentence, mistificarla and to say to the author that he did not say.
          All, Seasoned with salt and oil the most crass ignorance and mischievous.

          An administrative act of the Pontifical Council for the Laity who in 2002 approves to experiment for five years the Neocatechumenal under Pope John Paul II, without which the document is mentioned directly nor indirectly the Roman Pontiff, It is neither an encyclical contains truths of faith within the infallible teaching, born a Motu Proprio to which every bishop, priest and faithful Catholic is obliged to pay devout obedience.

          Needless to argue with these people.
          For them, a photograph of Kiko Arguello, Mario Pezzi and María Ascension Romero with the Holy Father, is an act of recognition of the most solemn infallible magisterium.
          Discuss with these people and it's just nothing but waste of time.

    2. No … Domenico wrong, nothing but a banal Catholic bishop.
      Few know that the Father Ariel plot for years to be a day finally appointed successor to Joseph Markus Odermatt, current pontiff of the Church Palmariana!
      The first measures will be the foundation of “Edizioni El Palmar de Troya”, the publication of the complete works of Don Camillo and direct canonization of Hypatia Roman cat.
      followed by refreshments.

      1. I see that you, neocat, as well as having a guilty conscience you're not even able to converse rationally arguing: to your network is, for case, Also brainwashed?

  18. Padre Ariel,

    is not to be confused with these people.
    At one time I thought that their illogic or apparent inability to understand was due to the ham on the eyes and indoctrination.
    In time, however, Also from personal experience, I realized that it is actually a “technique” which it obtains by attending the lounges.
    And’ a technique sometimes maybe even unconscious, but intended only to create confusion, to sidetrack from the arguments, to shift the focus on minimal things…
    In this way, no more speech can be brought forward so sequential and linear, but you lose the thread, you lose the essential, you go off topic.
    as this “technique” is in use in each Neocatechumenal, It disregards the amplitude of views or the individual preparation, it's a “modus”.
    If what they want is to confuse and create chaos dialogue, give them twine is a trap.
    And’ a powder’ the political technique, distort and confuse the message against.
    They were born to chaos, disorder, in every aspect of their movement.
    They are not dull, They are just evil.

    1. Caro Redondi, Your quote is wrong, Paul VI said to Kiko: “be faithful to the Church and the Church will be faithful”, not obedient.

      1. The faithful church Kiko and not to Christ: Although, as you say, he had said a Pope, This dimostrebbe only that even from the mouth of a Pope can come out crap egregious.

      2. The Church is faithful to Christ, not to men. And only in Christ has to be faithful.

        A statement like no Pope has ever made even before to people who already lives were revered as saints by the Popes, San Filippo Blacks in Santa Teresa.

        I doubt that Paul VI had expressed a similar phrase imbued with a caesaropapism Bohémienne Spanish arrived in Rome in the post-council to do some’ casino in the metropolitan church of Canadian Martyrs.

        And if Paul VI said something like, in this case, has said one emerita scemenza. What can be wanting, because he spoke informally as well said “private doctor”, in another language you would say “as a private citizen”.

        The problem is that you Neocatechumenal: one speaks to a critical, you immediately replicated by publishing a photo of Pope Francis Kiko, Father Mario Pezzi, and Ascension to say: “Is not it … it's not true! The Pope loves us to distraction, here's the proof!”

        But you have no idea how many people, photographed smiling with Popes, They are then finished under process, convicted, jailed, put on the forks?

        Or do you want a list of some gentlemen who were photographed smiling in the morning close to the Roman Pontiff and the night he then hunted whores and transvestites?

  19. The I also think so:
    They are evil and it takes the exorcist, this is the truth!
    Only those who have witnessed exorcisms real knows what the devil is capable when he is forced to appear, What he is able to say against his father exorcist who carries out his ministry, unrepeatable verbal attacks to vulgarity and violence, and attempts of physical aggression.
    Conclusion: his dear father Ariel Book, It hits the mark. For these possessed people it is like holy water!
    And then, else squalid:
    They think they hit the mark and remove credibility accusing it of careerism and desire to climb in the hierarchy of the Church.
    How are small and petty! They think that everyone is like their catechists in climbing to the way power, capable of terrible feuds.
    That all are like that Kiko is a monstrous megalomaniac and understands only its IO-IO-IO carmeniana memory.
    Let them lose, better let them cook them in the water!

    Pax

    1. There is no limit to the ridiculous, if the words below were the journalist Neocatechumenal Cernunzio , instead of having them put inverted commas it would seem to have been said by Bishop. Fisichella, and it becomes really worrisome.

      “"In contemporary times we do not have a unit of rites", He stressed the head of the Department, remembering that with John Paul II, "Limited to the celebration of the Eucharist", It was granted a special rite of the Neocatechumenal Way. …”

      All item here:
      https://www.lastampa.it/vatican-insider/it/2019/10/18/news/al-sinodo-la-proposta-di-un-rito-amazzonico-divergenze-sui-preti-sposati-si-chiede-assise-sul-celibato-1.37760866

      Frilù

  20. [N.d.R. PART UNCENSORED]

    WISE ..citando end this ... the fact that a Pope said years ago Kiko ... Be obedient to the Church and the Church will be obedient ... ..this has been done and this is rewarding the Way with fruits (real ones) that you never knew existed.
    Otherwise I accept the challenge on the other points which you are so hurt tenth ... etc ... I wonder why ....

    Fabio Redondi

    _____________________

    Editorial Note

    Dear Lord,

    The first part of his comment was removed because neither she nor others can fanatically insult and accusing them of delusional people have said that not only, ever told, but just never thought. Nor can accuse them of having links with current environments and with whom, not only, They never have had dealings, but to which they have always been very critical, putting repeatedly warned the faithful from following certain currents schismatic separated from communion with Rome.

    His is the typical attitude of the Neocatechumenal settarista who invents and launches accusations absurd and entirely based on false, the sole purpose of diverting the topics covered here.

    Such things, go to them within your psychotic closed lounges, But not on the public pages of The Island of Patmos.

    The second part of his speech we left, no comments, because that which expresses the qualification in all its madness heretical neokatekica: "Pope said years ago Kiko ... Be obedient to the Church and the Church will be obedient".

    Thank you for witnessed what they teach your mega-catechists in closed rooms for keeping up the idolatrous cult of the personality of this false prophet and bad teacher, that so much damage has gone to the Church and to Christi fideles.

    1. Dear Mr. Fabio Redondi,

      from the attractive and creative Naples where there are many of your crazy groups that are a cross between Pulcinella playing in earnest, and the shamans of the "Holy Spirit", I thank you from my heart for giving me, after a long and busy day pastoral, a laugh with tears in his eyes, I laughed so much in fact after I read these words:

      WISE ..citando end this ... the fact that a Pope said years ago Kiko ... Be obedient to the Church and the Church will be obedient ...

      I do not know what the hard drugs administered the catekiki Neocatechumenals, but it must be just deadly stuff, that in comparison with which a krack pipe is similar to one of those who smoke sigarettine end of the ladies.

      Among the neokatekiki smoked until the last neuron in the brain, no one has ever said that the Church, understood as a supernatural spiritual entity, and its supreme authority, the Roman Pontiff, They are not subject to judgment (and obedience) to any human authority, place that their authority comes to them from Christ, God?

      Monday morning I go to the Curia, I act of humility and give back their doctoral degree in canon law, saying to the bishop: ... and in the words of the "holy" Carmen Hernandez (referring penalty to others and never, never to itself), until today, I had not realized just an emeritus ca ...!

      Santa woman, on the contrary: holy immediately, she died and Kiko already a saint in life!

  21. dear Mr. Redondi,

    Thank you very much, Fan Nino Frassica, and I think I represent the sentiments of many readers Island, for pointing out to all, this “nanetto” Friar Anthony of Scasazza on Sani Gesualdi life.

    Perhaps that “Those of the night” were Neocatechumenals?
    Renzo Arbore will never cease to amaze!
    It's not nice what is beautiful, So beautiful, how beautiful, how beautiful!

    1. Mr. Fabio,

      Catholics at Mass we respond to the priest:”THE LORD RECEIVE FROM THIS SACRIFICE YOUR HANDS IN PRAISE AND GLORY OF YOUR NAME FOR OUR GOOD AND ALL YOUR HOLY CHURCH”.
      So what obedience She talks,if the way the priest is just a pawn?

      For Catholics, the priest is a minister of God, the Neocatechumenal Way to minister the catechist, THEN WHERE IS OBEDIENCE vaunted BY YOU?

      Catholics can not receive any sacrament if it is not given by a minister of God, yourself you can not eat the pieces of loaf if it is not first been consecrated by a priest, but as she spoke of the obedient kiko, I the mending that one of the cardinal points of disobedience is just what I have now described, and that is that the way the priests are paper to tear and this I say and do the Lutherans, but with all respect to them because they do not have hidden behind the Catholic Church.

      1. IGNORANCE THAT MAMMA MIA!!
        THE LORD RECEIVE FROM THIS SACRIFICE YOUR HANDS IN PRAISE AND GLORY OF YOUR NAME FOR OUR GOOD AND ALL YOUR HOLY CHURCH…..It was the only stretch where Paul VI had doubts whether to leave or delete…because of idiots like you!!!
        Fabio
        PS Dear ariel're just a boor. do not delete comments apart!

        1. But she is there or is there?
          L 'Prayers It IMPOSED was by Paul VI in spite of the opposition of Implementation of the plan Constitution on the Liturgy, witness the P. Annibale Bugnini in his volumone on liturgical reform, complete with autograph card of the Pope.

          The one that says Kiko is a lie. Here it is the exact quote:

          “Thus Paul VI said, "It takes away the’pray brothers? Not a pretty, antica, appropriate conversation between celebrant and the assembly before beginning the prayer over the gifts and the sacrificial liturgy? It would be a lost gem "

          Again, the reasons are known, and were such that the The design He voted again if agreed to keep the’pray brothers, with the result: 15 contrary to conservation, 14 favorable, 1 favor of changing some expressions, 1 abstained. It was then stored.

          Annibale Bugnini, The liturgical reform (1948-1975), CLV, Rome 1997, p. 376″

          Never allow more than give to anyone ignorant.
          Capra !

        2. sees, Padre Ariel?
          As I said: one who is part of what ERASE PIECES official words of the Pope, It is to imply that it was the same thing clear from a magazine offensive messages to people and to the moral, even calling “boor”.
          With these there is no way, have just deliberately creating chaos, throwing statements Random, without logic, without “discernment”, word to them so dear… pure desire to besmirch the next (what you should love) and spread confusion.
          They vibrate an uncontrollable rage, escaping unlimited free from their insults and offenses.
          But what you have to do more to show from whom they come and which side are?

        3. Themselves. Redondi,

          I have no idea who she is, But I am sure that his charismatic task infused by “Holy Spirit” kikiano is to arrange the chairs in peek classroom liturgical, or at least she will be a bongo player.
          One thing is certain: Saturday evening, During the resonance, It will boast of having fought the devil on the internet, But what's worse: of defeating him.
          Povera, proud creatura!

        4. From the language he uses Mr. Fabio you can understand what they are made of super Catholics kiko, I do not think that I, sir, the offense has, true Christians are primarily educated, my advice and I speak as a sister who gets to study the Catholic doctrine (if this wants to be) because certainly the Neocatechumenal Way is not, The fact I give my opinion: strive to get out of this sect as we have done in many before it completely rimbambisca.

  22. Excuse me if I return once again to write, I have been there on the way, at the time when he still had the ham on the eyes (and maybe I can understand some who do not understand everything that is challenged) everything seemed normal, then one day I am reciting the Creed I realized that I was in the wrong place,the recitation of the Creed we say I believe in the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic and finding myself to hear mass in a room is I already seemed out of place.

    The Pope, The Bishops repeatedly urged the way to the celebration of the Holy Mass together with all other parish,invitation that is entered in one ear and another is out,When I spoke in my insistence of this catechists,I said the church's us, we do not need a building to make put the first Christian churches had mica? So sorry!!! Shouting I told him … if we do not need the church then why not abolish? And when we say the Creed (in lounges during commissioning) and say I believe in the church of which church we are talking?

    On the way there is great confusion, at some point you do not know who you are it what religion you belong.

  23. I mean in 25 years in which I have been in The Way, but even before it was so and still is. L'”only thing that has changed is the backsplash, ie the very short rise only when the priest making the rounds gets to you, to take Communion in the hand and the cup in his hand standing for a few seconds.

  24. I start from the conclusion of Lilly that I share:

    On the way there is a lot of confusion and in the end you do not know what religion you belong or who you are!

    Carry exactly the formula that is recited during Mass before the consecration:
    “May the Lord accept the sacrifice at your hands
    to the praise and glory of HIS name,
    for our good and all HIS Holy Church.”

    I felt, my brave Fabio Redondo, Carmen's catechesis on the Eucharist and Kiko know them better than you do for long association.

    You have reported a journey of the most obsessive mantra, ask why.

    He repeated this formula, evoking the unpopular SACRIFICE, actually in the post-Vatican II liturgy was canceled, but was saved because of the ignorance of the people ox that you would not understand…until Kiko and Carmen they have not catechized (obvious!), why the celebration of neocatatecumenali was elected struck out.
    A deadly mixture of lies and bad faith!

    The SACRIFICE expression to them does not come out from the mouth, even with pliers. unwillingly they had to put it back with Arinze and, in hand with guts, the SHOULD SAY (grinding his teeth and full of disgust) because they possessed.

    What bothers it is that, in your ignorance, Fate pure i saputelli.

    I want to conclude with a finding alone.
    YOU BAPTISM
    THE DOOR OF THE CHURCH
    THE CHURCH
    THEREFORE YOU SHOULD TREAT MORE THAN ANY OTHER AND KEEP THE MASS IN ALL ITS SPLENDOR, PURITY, PERFECTION.

    Instead, says Father Ariel in a previous comment, you have managed to overcome all limits. They are more loyal tribal peoples who also enter their songs and dances.
    Shame on you!…

    1. dear Patty,

      I apologize for writing the T instead of the S, I had not noticed now when I had already published and therefore did not make me correct.
      Good evening.

  25. I do not know what she's diocese incardinated, cmq there are 8 seminars in Italy: Rome, Florence, Pinerolo, Trieste, Cosenza, Campobasso, Ascoli and Macerata, a chat if he could do. Good night

    1. For the case refers to those seminars where they are installed tabernacles Double, within which are preserved Bread&Word, ie the “pane” and the Book of the Word?
      Because this is more than enough already, to me, as any Catholic priest.

      Just tell me and show me in which liturgical and canonical norms of the Church has allowed this.
      And we're talking about the Holy Eucharist reserves, we're not talking about elements of the marginal type Jewish candlesticks or similar amenities.
      How Decree, the Holy See, through the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments has approved these kikotabernacoli?

      In the eight seminars Redempkiko Mater she quoted me, first try to see only half inginocchiatoio [see links below]. Because he sees, the first thing that is taught to seminarians:

      "That at the name of Jesus
      every knee should bend
      in the heavens, on earth and under the earth " [Within 2, 10]

      http://www.sanpietroapostolo.org/seminari/Seminario%20Macerata.htm

      https://www.redemptorismatercosenza.com/video/it-IT/28/seminario-redemptoris-mater-di-cosenza

      http://www.sanpietroapostolo.org/seminari/Pinerolo.htm

      https://testadelserpente.wordpress.com/2018/09/15/seminario-redemptoris-mater-roma-claudiano-strazzari/

      http://www.sanpietroapostolo.org/seminari/roma.htm

      etc. …

        1. Let me get, Mr. cjnsbcxkgtw,

          He is trying to insinuate that the Neocatechumenal Way does not keep to the rules and regulations?
          So you can not sing psalms to music by Kiko during your celebrations?
          You can use an icon of the Virgin other than that painted by Kiko?
          It is also possible to use chalices and patens not kikiani?
          And a normal processional cross?
          You can also put a crucifix on the altar instead of the menorah?

          It seems to me that in terms of rules and regulations you are manic. Your rubricismo would dwarf even those of Gricigliano.

          The problem, if anything, is another: for you the law of Kiko wins on the law of the Church: rightly, where the minor lapses.

          Yet "vice of falsehood is for those behalf of the Church to worship God against the established ways to divine authority by the Church and in her usual ' (S. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica., (II), 2, q. 93, to. 1)

        2. Signor bsdjdk,

          Allora converrà che sono testicoli tutti coloro che seguono queste regole:

          obbligo dell’obbedienza cieca ai catechisti;
          obbligo del digiuno di due giorni e mezzo prima di Pasqua;
          obbligo d’acquisto di copri ambone, Madonna del Cammino, menorah ebraica, croce astile kikiana e se, possible, corona misterica kikiana, il tutto nei negozi kikiani specializzati, tenuti da “Brothers” che si fanno fortune;
          obbligo di confessione pubblica agli scrutini, sennò sei bocciato;
          obbligo delle vesti bianche dopo l’Elezione;
          obbligo del latte e miele dopo l’Elezione;
          obbligo di consumare solo pane azzimo (focaccia casalinga);
          obbligo di ricevere la comunione in mano;
          obbligo di bere vino dalla coppa;
          obbligo di confessare solo la lista di peccati e non chiedere direzione spirituale, perché quella la deve fare il catechista e non il prete;
          obbligo di versare la decima;
          divieto di cantare canti diversi da quelli kikiani;
          obbligo di infiorare il tavolo;
          obbligo di disconoscere l’altare consacrato a favore di due assi e due cavalletti;
          obbligo di fare la veglia pasquale tutta la notte con agape o pranzo annessi

          Non ho più spazio, potrei continuare

          1. Grande Pax!
            And now, caro kjxlqysb, beccati questa:

            «Occorre purtroppo lamentare che, soprattutto a partire dagli anni della riforma liturgica post-conciliare, per un malinteso senso di creatività e di adattamento, non sono mancati abusi, che sono stati motivo di sofferenza per moltiSento perciò il dovere di fare un caldo appello perché, nella Celebrazione Eucaristica, le norme liturgiche siano osservate con grande fedeltà. Esse sono un’espressione concreta dell’autentica ecclesialità dell’Eucaristia; questo è il loro senso più profondo. La liturgia non è mai proprietà privata di qualcuno, né del celebrante né della comunità nella quale si celebrano i Misteri. L’apostolo Paolo dovette rivolgere parole brucianti nei confronti della comunità di Corinto per le gravi mancanze nella loro Celebrazione Eucaristica, che avevano condotto a divisioni (skìsmata) e alla formazione di fazioni (airéseis) (cf. 1 Color 11,17-34)».

            John Paul II, Litt. Enc. Ecclesia de Eucaristia (2003), n. 52

          2. Altare sconsacrato……siete figli di riti magici pagani……clericali di merda e settari..

  26. @ bksjdv,
    oltre che un gran volgare pure ignorante!

    San Tommaso vi inchioda nella citazione riportata sapientemente da Tomista ex NC:

    Lei mostra un dispregio sprezzante per regole e norme mentre, come tutti gli asini camminanti senza ragione, rispetta alla lettera norme, regole e regolette farisaiche neocatecumenali; fardello pesante su legge levitica di una casta sacerdotale autoreferenziale e fuori dalla storia.

    Solo la Chiesa istituisce la modalità del culto perautorità divinae la custodisce fedelmente nella consuetudine.

    Chi PER CONTO della Chiesa manifesta a Dio un culto secondo altre “rules” and “standards”, palesemente IN CONTRASTO con quanto disposto dalla Santa Madre ChiesaCOME VOI FATE OGNI SABATO SERA NELLE SEGRETE SALETTEè un FALSARIO.

    For this, lo diciamo sempre:

    meglio sarebbe (visto che di obbedire non se ne parla proprio) uscire allo scoperto e staccarvi finalmente, con onestà, dalla Chiesa Cattolica.

    Meglio uno scisma che un cancro incistato!

    Cosa hanno in comune Cristo e Belial?
    Solo il demonio è falso e bugiardo; padre della menzogna ama camuffarsi e prendere le sembianze di Dio per sedere sul Trono.
    IO-IO-IOmi ricorda

    1. Se tu credi che i neocat ritengano San Tommaso più autorevole non dico di Kiko, ma anche solo di uno dei megagalattici catechisti, sei solo un illuso.

      1. E qui casca l’asino!
        È proprio il caso di dire

        Per questo noi, undeterred, continuiamo a fustigarli con le sante parole della Santa Madre Chiesa.

        Io ringrazio te Tomista.

        Pax

    2. Signor kjjbdnv,
      impari a leggere, non c’è scrittosconsacrato”, but “sacred”.
      Ma forse lei nemmeno lo sa che nelle chiese gli altari sonoconsacrati” to God.

      Catechism of the Catholic Church 1383: L’altare, attorno al quale la Chiesa è riunita nella celebrazione dell’Eucaristia, rappresenta i due aspetti di uno stesso mistero: l’altare del sacrificio e la mensa del Signore, e questo tanto più in quanto l’altare cristiano è il simbolo di Cristo stesso, presente in mezzo all’assemblea dei suoi fedeli sia come vittima offerta per la nostra riconciliazione, sia come alimento celeste che si dona a noi. « Che cosa è l’altare di Cristo se non l’immagine del Corpo di Cristo? », dice sant’Ambrogio, (214) and elsewhere: « L’altare è l’immagine del corpo, e il Corpo di Cristo sta sull’altare ».

      Papa Francesco ha consacrato un altare personalmente durante la GMG di Panama, ma lui è un c.. legato alle normehttps://it.aleteia.org/2019/01/27/panama-francesco-altare/
      Eh sono normeche voi neocat nemmeno conoscete, tanto che ve ne frega della Chiesa Cattolica?

      Mi sa che qualcuno l’ha ispirata a leggeresconsacratodove non c’era scritto

    1. Dal minuto 22,58 At the minute 25,07 del filmato, ognuno può vedere e prendere atto di come i neocat si accostino all’Eucarestia rigorosamente seduti;
      to follow, by the minute 25,08 At the minute 26,59, si può vedere come il Santissimo venga riposto nel tabernacolo kikiano dopo avervi posizionato sopra il libro dei Vangeli, come a significare che la presenza di Cristo in un libro stampato e nel Pane Eucaristico, per i neocat, sono la stessa cosa.

      1. Il video è del 2004. From 2008 anno dello statuto approvato, il corpo e il sangue di Cristo si riceve in piedi. Come più volte detto.
        Massimiliano Conti.

        1. E chi ve lo ha imposto, di ricevere la Santa Comunione il piedi, dopo avervi negata approvazione definitiva nel 2007 alla scadenza dell’approvazione to experiment data da Giovanni Paolo II?
          Perché Benedetto XVI prorogò di altri 5 anni negando l’approvazione?
          Forse la negò grazie alla devota e splendida obbedienza dei neocatecumenali?

          But she, è forse totalmente privo di memoria storica e di rapporto con il reale?
          Above all: se la sente di affermare che in tutte le numerose salette periferiche, dove i neocatecumenali non sono controllati, si attengano a queste norme?
          Perché a me risulta che dove non sono controllati, chiuse le porte fanno quello che vogliono e come vogliono.
          Ovviamente lei dirà di no.

          1. Solito Massimiliano,

            In tutta la mia regione, ribadisco TUTTA, il sangue di Cristo si riceve in piedi e per ovvi motivi lo si beve anche in piedi.

            Ma il corpo di Cristo si riceve in piedi, ci si siede e poi si consuma tutti insieme, presbitero compreso, DA SEDUTI.

            Tutti stanno SEDUTI e si alzano solo quando l’officiante è davanti a loro con la coppa o il piatto del pane.
            Tra ricevere e consumare c’è una bella differenza: questo è lploy che inventarono per far finta di essersi adeguati.

            Si riceve in piedi e si consuma seduti, also because, siccome il presbitero consuma insieme all’assemblea, riservandosi l’ultimo pezzo di pane rimasto sul piatto, si aspetta che anche lui si sia seduto.
            Quindi anche il prete consuma da seduto il corpo di Cristo.

            Questo per dire che ostinatamente non si è voluto rinunciare a portare avanti la propria visione, non adeguandosi del tutto ai richiami fatti, ma solo in parte, sennò l’Arguello subiva una deminutio, obbedire non fa per lui, lui deve comandare

            La sfido a produrre un video, antecedente a questa data, che mostri che nel CNC si CONSUMA il corpo di Cristo in piedi e dopo il presbitero.

        2. E tu puoi affermare, in consciousness, che tutti i neocat si adeguano a quanto imposto loro dalla Chiesa?
          In addition to, quale giustificazione adduci al fatto che venerate il libro dei Vangeli al pari del Corpo e del Sangue di Cristo?

        3. Si riceve in piedi MA si consuma da seduti dopo aver trattenuto nelle mani il pezzo di pane spezzato dopo la consacrazione per un tempo più o meno lungo, dipende dal numero dei partecipanti e dai ministri a disposizione.
          Questa pratica, frutto di una interpretazioneestensivao meglio arbitraria, NON è stata MAI esplicitamente approvata.
          La Chiesa ha intimato al Cammino di adeguarsi alla prassi della ChiesaRICEVERE E CONSUMARE IN PIEDI LA COMUNIONEil di più viene….DAL DEMONIO.
          Aggiungo che fu dato un periodo DI 2 ANNI per ABBANDONARE LA MODALITÀ DI DISTRIBUZIONE INVALSA NEL CAMMINO. Questo il 2005 nella Lettera di Arinze.
          Voi VE NE STRAFREGATE DELLA CHIESA.
          Concludo con un’ultima nota:
          Vogliamo parlare della distribuzione e consumazione del vino nei copponi con angoli? Passando il presbitero nell’assemblea?
          Il fratello si alza, prende il coppone nelle sue mani, beve un gran sorso, restituisce e si risiede. Avete mai visto persone anziane, che ormai abbondano nelle comunità, fare questo pericoloso rituale?
          Massimiliano, meglio che taci.

          Pax

  27. Signor cjnsbcxkgtw
    24 October 18:09

    Grazie di cuore per aver esplicitato così bene quello che pensate dei cattolici fedeli ai dettami della Chiesa.

    È sempre bene fare chiarezza e verità.

    Concordo con Libera: tu parlavi degli Altari Consacrati.

    Pax

  28. Io credo fermamente che dopo i seminario sostenuto da propaganda fide questo blog si sia confermato come la vera SETTA!!
    Non mi risulta che il Papa (che tanto ridicolizzate) abbia fatto a prire un seminario a ariel giusto???
    Ariel al massimo apre na norcineria….
    Ha ha haaaa

    1. In queste nostre pagine, il Sommo Pontefice è a tal puntoridicolizzato”, come mentendo falsamente lei afferma, that the home-page si apre con l’Inno Pontificio che le riporto in testo integrale con traduzione, non si apre con le schitarrate e le canzoncine del falso profeta e del cattivo maestro Kiko Arguello.

      O felix RomaO Roma nobilis.
      Sedes es Petri, qui Romae effudit sanguinem,
      Petri, cui claves datae
      sunt regni caelorum.
      Pontifex, Tu successor es Petri;
      Pontifex, Tu magister es tuos confirmas fratres;
      Pontifex, Tu qui Servus servorum Dei,
      hominumque piscator, pastor es gregis,
      ligans caelum et terram.
      Pontifex, Tu Christi es vicarius super terram,
      rupes inter fluctus, Tu es pharus in tenebris;
      Tu pacis es vindex, Tu es unitatis custos,
      vigil libertatis defensor; in Te potestas.
      Tu Pontifex, firma es petra, et super petram
      hanc aedificata est Ecclesia Dei.
      Pontifex, Tu Christi es vicarius super terram,
      rupes inter fluctus, Tu es pharus in tenebris;
      Tu pacis es vindex, Tu es unitatis custos,
      vigil libertatis defensor; in Te potestas.
      O felix RomaO Roma nobilis.

      traduzione:

      Roma immortale di Martiri e di Santi,
      Roma immortale accogli i nostri canti:
      Gloria nei cieli a Dio nostro Signore,
      Pace ai Fedeli, di Cristo nell’amore.
      A Te veniamo, Angelico Pastore,
      In Te vediamo il mite Redentore,
      Erede Santo di vera e santa Fede;
      Conforto e vanto a chi combatte e crede,
      Non prevarranno la forza ed il terrore,
      Ma regneranno la Verità, l’Amore.
      Salve Salve Roma, patria eterna di memorie,
      Cantano le tue glorie mille palme e mille altari.
      Roma degli apostoli, Madre guida dei Redenti,
      Roma luce delle genti, il mondo spera in te!
      Salve Salve Roma, la tua luce non tramonta,
      Vince l’odio e l’onta lo splendor di tua beltà.
      Roma degli Apostoli, Madre e guida dei Redenti,
      Roma luce delle genti, il mondo spera in te!

      Rispondo all’altro insulto, con richiami a norcinerie e amenità varie, dicendo che la decisione di aprire un seminario neokatekiko a Macao, non è stata del Sommo Pontefice e non è un atto del suo sommo magistero, né questa apertura è stata decretata con un Motu Proprio , ma soprattutto non è certo un dogma di fede.
      La decisione di aprire quel seminario è stata presa dal Prefetto de Propaganda Fide [see WHO]

      adesso ci dica: How come Propaganda Fide ha ripiegato su Macao?
      Lei lo sa che i vescovi del Giappone, per l’ennesima volta, non hanno voluto un seminario neokatekiko?
      Che cosa ci dice a tal proposito? Forse che tutti i vescovi giapponesi non sono in comunione con Roma ed il Romano Pontefice, avendo negata l’apertura sul loro territorio della fabbrichetta di preti a uso kikiano?

      Ma come siete bravi voi neocatecumenali, disubbidiente impenitenti e istituzionalizzati verso la Chiesa e il Papato, il tutto con l’aggravante dell’ipocrisia, ad accusare di essere contro la Chiesa e il Sommo Pontefice tutti coloro che in realtà sono invece è solo contro di voi, ubbidendo con devozione e fede al Successore di Pietro, il nome del quale io, Every day, ricordo nel canone del Sacrificio Eucaristico della Santa Messa.

      Il vostro gioco, sciocco e pateticochi è contro di noi è contro la Chiesa e il Papa”, non regge più, come non regge il gioco ancor più patetico di rovesciare fatti e parole per imputare le vostre disubbidienze agli altri.

      Se lo stampi quindi in testa da ora e per sempre: essere contro il Cammino Neocatecumenale non equivale a essere contro la Chiesa e il Papato, clear?
      No One, a chi all’interno della Chiesa, era contro le scuole, le impostazioni, le attività missionarie e via dicendo, di Francescani o Domenicani, di Gesuiti o Clarettiani, si è mai sognato di dire: “Sei contro la Chiesa e il Papato”.

      Basta con questa kikapanzana!

  29. Mi disgusta vedere come il signor ariel reinterpreti e cambi le Parole dei Papi a suo favore.
    Continua a citare una dottrina della Chiesa che lei stesso contraddice DISOBBEDENDO e CRITICANDO continuamente il Papa.
    Lei è estremamente poco affidabile!!
    Luca

    1. Anzitutto lei non si rivolga mai più a me chiamandomi Signor Ariel.
      That said: chi ha sempre stravolto, manipolato e falsato le parole dei Sommi Pontefici, sino al punto di far passare dei rimproveri pubblici come atti di approvazione, questi sono stati Kiko e Carmen, puntualmente e ripetutamente, not me, che le parole degli Augusti Pontefici le ho riportare fedelmente dimostrando che dicevano esattamente il contrario di quanto i due sorcerer's apprentice facevano credere ai loro settaristi.
      e sono atti e fatti non passibili di smentita: Benedetto XVI vi rimproverava e vi faceva rimproverare dai competenti dicasteri e Kiko usciva fuori annunciando «La Chiesa ci approva, il Papa ci approva!».

      Lei afferma che io critico continuamente il Papa?
      Mi tip: between the 2005 and 2007, cosa si diceva nelle vostraparadisiache salettetutte ripiene di “Holy Spirit” su Benedetto XVI? Cosa si diceva di lui quando, in 2007, approval expired to experiment data da Giovanni Paolo II nel 2002 for five years, invece di approvarvi, vi disse e vi fece dire che non avrebbe concessa approvazione alcuna se non aveste prima corretto catechismi e soprattutto gravi abusi liturgici?
      tell us … tell us … cosa si diceva, in quei tempi, sul Pontefice regnante?
      Credo proprio che dinanzi a quelli come lei, il mitico Caifa prenderebbe davvero le distanze.

      And tell us … chi fu quel pezzo da novanta dei neocatecumenali che, dopo l’atto di rinuncia di Benedetto XVI disse: «Meno male, altrimenti a breve sarebbe uscito fuori con la tiara in testa sopra la sedia gestatoria»?
      Chi lo disse? Me lo ricordo lei, knows how, to senescentem aetatem, ho un vuoto di memoria

      1. Caro sig ariel,
        Sciacquati la bocca quando parli di Kiko e Carmen; grazie a Dio la madonna ci vede lungo molto più di te e sa scegliere i suoi aiutanti.
        Non a caso non riesci proprio a diventare famoso come tanto vorresti perché non ti si fila nessuno se escludiamo voi LEVEVRIANI scomunicati e demoniaci.
        I Papi? Hanno SEMPRE parlato a favore del cammino…..vuoi che ti mando i video cretinetti??
        Vattelo a cercaretanto su internet ci passi la vita invece di fare il prete…(thank God…)
        Luca

        1. Evitiamo di dirle, per pudore e per buon decoro, che cosa si dovrebbe sciacquare lei, prima di parlare in questi termini sprezzanti e insultanti anche del peggiore prete di questo mondo.
          E non tiri in ballo la Madre di Dio, che non si limita soltanto a essere Madre dei Sacerdoti, perché la Vergine Maria, the priesthood, lo venera in tutta la sua sacralità, avendolo istituito il suo Divino Figlio.

          Possa Dio avere pietà di lei e dei soggetti come lei.

        2. Capisco che date spazio anche a voci di soggetti cattivi e squilibrati, non sono d’accordo, però comprendo che forse lo fate per offrire una panoramica completa.

          A questo poverello vorrei rispondere solo questo: lei ha mai visto padre Ariel dare l’estrema unzione a un morente?
          Io l’ho visto di recente, presente tutta la mia famiglia, e tutti abbiamo immediatamente capito cosa sia un vero santo prete.

          If I, mio fratello, mio cognato e i miei nipoti (insomma tutti i maschi di famiglia) l’avessimo avuta dinanzi di sua propria presenza fisica, dopo questa raffica d’insulti, può essere che anche lei, In brief, avrebbe dovuto essere confortato con questo Sacramento.

          And’ veramente penoso e pietoso leggere commenti del genere su un sacerdote che ha espresso in un suo libro delle opinioni nel merito delle quali, questi tipi insolitamente aggressivi, non entrano manco di straforo.

        3. Una cosa è certa e facilmente dimostrabile: Mons. Marcel Lefebvre, a differenza di Kiko e Carmen, non ha mai scritto né diffuso eresie.

        4. Da quando sono arrivati i neocatecumenali la dialettica religiosa è miseramente scaduta per lasciar posto alle espressioni più basse utilizzate nel mondo (a cui loro si fregiano di non appartenere).

          Sono finiti i tempi in cui su posizioni diverse o addirittura ereticali si muoveva comunque una certa forma di scambio dialogico.
          Con questi non c’è alcun scambio, solo offese, a volte anche pesanti, e slogan.

          Even Luther, sebbene molto ardito nel parlare, non arrivava a tali vette: questi hanno superato ogni comune immaginazione.

          Non c’è scambio, non c’è sostanza, ci sono solo insulti e parolacce. Come si fa?

          And’ arrivata l’orda (barbarica o peggio?) che sa solo profferire frasi degne dei peggiori demoni.
          Ci immaginiamo in bocca a Gesù Cristo o a San Paolo un tale linguaggio?
          Anche dal linguaggio si capisce da dove vengono

          E poi parlano di amore, amore al nemico, Holy Spirit…
          Se anche Padre Ariel o tutti noi fossimo “enemies”, which “love” ci dimostrerebbero questi?

          Anche il demonio è capace di pronunciare la parola “love”, ma nello stesso tempo è capace di pronunciare blasfemie, parolacce ed ingiurie.
          Quale la differenza?

  30. Bdndn e Luca1

    Accuse di settarismo rivolte a questa rivista, patetico!
    Intimate, senza averne autorità, di chiudere la bocca e, as always, non portate uno straccio di argomento che sia uno.

    Approvati, we approved…The Pope, il Papa è con noi!”
    Segno di tutta la vostra inconsistenza.

    A me pare che venite a difendere Kiko Arguello con tanto ardore perché vi sentite vacillare.
    Dice bene Padre Ariel: Why Is That, rather, non ci riferite COSA SI DICE NELLE VOSTRE STANZE OSCUREaltro che ripiene di Spirito Santoquando nessuno vi sente, DEI PAPI (non solo di Benedetto XVI!)? Dei vari Cardinali a capo delle Congregazioni Vaticane con cui avete avuto a che fare, per lunghi anni, durante le penose trattative per l’approvazione? (Penosissime a causa della vostra smisurata presunzione e incurabile cocciutaggine).
    IO SONO TESTIMONE: all’epoca ero lì.
    Ne potrei raccontare!

    Una sola cosetta stamattina, tutta per voi.
    Dopo un inequivocabile richiamo all’obbedienza del Cammino ai Pastori, la super/santa Carmen, che millantava doti non comuni di intelligenza, ruppe il silenzio sgomento degli itineranti con unNON HO CAPITO COSA VOLEVA DIRE”.
    ERA PAPA GIOVANNI PAOLO II.

  31. Continuate come al solito, con la bava alla bocca per l’ira a cercare ossessivamente il male nel cammino anche dove non c’è. Vi ho descritto come avviene il momento della comunione nella celebrazione dallo statuto in poi e voi pubblicate video pre statuto e giù a giudicare e malignare su quello che addirittura POTREBBE SUCCEDERE. Non lo so quello che POTREBBE SUCCEDERE, però so che ogni celebrazione è officiata da uno o più presbiteri e a volte anche da diaconi, che oltre ad officiare controllano che tutto si svolga secondo lo statuto. Perché cercate il male ovunque? Ora addirittura nelle intenzioni? Una volta ho assistito in chiesa a una persona che si è messa in tasca la particola dicendo che aveva mal di stomaco e l’avrebbe mangiata dopo. Un’altra volta sono dovuto andare a cercare un ragazzo delle cresime per tutto il quartiere dopo la messa perché il sacerdote si era accorto che la particola l’aveva messa in tasca. Ha detto che l’avrebbe mangiata più tardi. Per questi fatti va abolita la messa? Smettete per favore di odiare e fidatevi della Chiesa.
    Massimiliano Conti

    1. Ti ho chiesto perché al libro dei Vangeli, voi neocat tributate venerazione analoga a quella dell’Eucarestia?
      Vorresti per favore rispondere?

      1. Quindi ora sarei sotto interrogatorio? Lei veramente si sente talmente superiore a me da affibiarmi unvoi neocated esigere da me una risposta? Non so neanche a cosa si riferisce, ma se mi chiede per quale motivo noi negriOps, noi neocat ci inchiniamo davanti al vangelo le dico di sì, perché è parola di Dio e ad essatributiamola stessa venerazione di ogni celebrazione solenne. Per noi negrOps neocat, ogni celebrazione è solenne.
        Massimiliano Conti

        1. Then, signor Massimiliano, le ripeto la domanda in in altro modo nella speranza che lei possa sopperire alle mie deficienze:
          perché il libro stampato dei Vangeli viene da voi collocato, al termine di una celebrazione, nello stesso luogo nel quale viene riposta l’Eucarestia in modo tale che entrambi siano egualmente venerati?
          Forse nei Vangeli è presente Cristo allo stesso modo nel quale è presente nell’Eucarestia?

          1. Themselves. Orenzo, visto che non ha ancora terminato il suo disgustoso interrogatorio e guardandomi dall’alto verso il basso si permette di giudicare la mia fede, di seguito, in poche frasi cercherò di darle ragione della mia fede:

            Io credo in Dio, Padre onnipotente, Creatore del cielo e della terra.
            e in Gesù Cristo, Suo unico Figlio, our Lord,
            il quale fu concepito di Spirito Santo nacque da Maria Vergine,
            patì sotto Ponzio Pilato, fu crocifisso, mori e fu sepolto;
            discese agli inferi; il terzo giorno risuscitò da morte;
            salì al cielo, siede alla destra di Dio Padre onnipotente:
            di là verrà a giudicare i vivi e i morti.
            Credo nello Spirito Santo,
            la santa Chiesa cattolica, la Comunione dei Santi,
            the forgiveness of sins,
            la risurrezione della carne, everlasting life. Amen.
            Massimiliano Conti

          2. Signor Massimiliano, I asked her: “Forse nei Vangeli è presente Cristo allo stesso modo nel quale è presente nell’Eucarestia?”
            e lei mi ha risposto col copia incolla delSimbolo Apostolico”, dimostrandomi così che lo conosce: è come però se io le avessi chiesto se le mele e le pere sono per lei la stessa cosa e lei mi avesse risposto che la frutta è buona da mangiare, come a dire che o non ha capito la domanda o non sa cosa rispondere.
            Io però gradirei una sua cortese risposta in merito e continuo a chiederle: Nei Vangeli stampati e nell’Eucarestia c’è la stessa presenza di Cristo cosicché si debba tributare ad entrambi identica adorazione?

          3. Io capisco benissimo le domande, è lei che non capisce le risposte.

            Ps. Sono giorni che su questo sito di odiatori spiego come avviene il momento della comunione ed è stato anche confermato da altri odiatori come lei. Non devo smentire un bel niente perché avviene come prescritto dallo statuto approvato. SEMPRE NELLE DUE SPECIE , SI RICEVE IN PIEDI, PANE AZZIMO E VINO E AL PROPRIO POSTO. Non so più in che lingua dirlo, ma non si sforzi tanto di capire e non si preoccupi di rispondere perché io non le risponderò più.

            Ps. 2
            or better, la prossima volta le farò un disegnino.
            Massimiliano Conti.

          4. Signor Massimiliano, ma le c’è o ci fa? If you are not sure, legittimo viste le sue risposte e supponendo lei non capisca molto bene l’italiano, proverò a specificare meglio:

            1. Dopo che avete ricevuto nelle vostre mani e rigorosamente in piedi l’Eucarestia, cosa fate?
            Tenete l’Eucarestia nelle mani o la ponete in bocca e ve ne cibate?
            E se ponete l’Eucarestia in bocca e ve ne cibate, queste due specifiche azioni (porre in bocca l’Eucarestia e cibarvene) le compite in piedi oppure seduti?
            Se ha difficoltà a dare una risposta nel merito, anche di poche righe, basta solo che scriva oIN PIEDI(se ponete l’eucarestia in bocca e ve ne cibate in piedi) ” or “SEDUTI (se ponete l’eucarestia in bocca e ve ne cibate seduti)”.

            2. La presenza di Cristo nel libro stampato dei Vangeli e nell’Eucarestia è la stessa oppure no?
            Se ha difficoltà a dare una risposta nel merito, anche di poche righe, basta solo che scriva o “AND (è la stessa presenza)” or “DO NOT (non è la stessa presenza)”.

        2. Direi che con questo “gooseberry” tristissimo si è toccato il fondo e si è già iniziato a scavare. A quando il paragone tra coloro che criticano il cammino e Hitler?

          1. Sig orenzo, lei non sa neanche di cosa sta parlando. Prima ci ACCUSA di ricevere la comunione seduti, poi una volta smentito quando le ho dimostrato che il video che stava GIUDICANDO era ante statuto cambia discorso glissando sulla figuraccia appena fatta e inventa una nuova scemenza. La presenza materiale di Cristo è nell’Eucaristia, ma non credevo che un giorno avrei dovuto spiegarlo a chi si professa cristiano, pensavo che la professione di fede fosse sufficiente, ma mi sbagliavo.
            Massimiliano Conti

          2. Signor Massimiliano:
            1. Lei smentisce un video dove si vede che voi ricevete l’Eucarestia seduti perché, afferma lei, adesso la ricevete in piedi, ma non smentisce affatto che poi, dopo averla ricevuta, vi sedete e vi comunicate assieme al sacerdote: le sembra cosi di aver smentito che vi comunicate seduti?
            2. Io non le ho affatto chiesto di chiarirmi la dottrina della transustanziazione, ma le ho chiesto se, for her, Cristo è presente nel libro stampato dei Vangeli come è presente nell’Eucarestia e, therefore, se al libro dei Vangeli vada tributata la stessa adorazione che è dovuta all’Eucarestia: lei è in grado di capire o no le domande che le vengono fatte in italiano?

          3. Mr. Conti, non ci nascondiamo dietro un dito cantandoalla Fiera dell’Est”, nenia infinita.
            Mettiamola così: “Non devo smentire un bel niente perché avviene come prescritto dallo statuto approvato. SEMPRE NELLE DUE SPECIE , SI RICEVE IN PIEDI, PANE AZZIMO E VINO E AL PROPRIO POSTO”.
            E dopo?
            Ci potrebbe raccontare cosa avviene “after” avere ricevuto IN PIEDI le due specie?
            Si CONSUMA seduti o in piedi?
            Si CONSUMA immediatamente o tutti insieme, anche col presbitero?
            Il presbitero consuma prima di voi o INSIEME a voi?
            Perché sa, certe norme non devono essere scritte ad hoc, sono normalmente praticate nella CHIESA.
            Si dà per scontato che il prete consumi PRIMA e i fedeli IMMEDIATAMENTE, queste cose non debbono essere specificate.
            Ma per adeguarvi, volete propriotutto scrittopunto per punto, appositamente indirizzato a voi?
            La CHIESA dice come si RICEVE e si CONSUMA la Comunione, è SOTTINTESO che se non è concesso diversamente si fa come TUTTI: si CONSUMA subito e DOPO il presbitero, che CONSUMA prima di distribuire ai fedeli.
            Therefore, I repeat: Come fateDOPOaver ricevuto le due specie in PIEDI?
            A questo non ha MAI risposto.

    2. Penso che non le sia ancora ben chiaro lo the question. Anche ipotizzando per assurdo che ciò che dice corrisponda a verità, ossia che il sacerdote si comunica un attimo prima dei fedeli, il problema non è affatto risolto. For us Catholics, dunque pagani dediti al culto delle arti magiche, l’essenza della Santa Messa è il Sacrificio, non il banchetto, che semmai ne è il frutto, essendo un pasto sacrificale.
      Il Sacrificio della Messa si compie mediante queste tre azioni del Sacerdote: offering, immolazione e consumazione della Vittima. La comunione dei fedeli non è parte integrante della liturgia, né è essenziale all’efficacia della Messa, può esserci come non esserci, non cambia assolutamente nulla. On the contrary, la stessa assemblea non è necessaria: il monaco certosino che offre il Sacrificio eucaristico nella totale solitudine, all’interno della sua cella, compie un atto ecclesiale, a cui partecipa la Chiesa tutta.
      Capisco che Kiko, in quanto a materialismo ed immanentismo, faccia un baffo a Marx, but, it is clear, quello che insegna non è dottrina della Chiesa, e snatura in modo grave la concezione della Messa. È eretico affermare che l’eucaristiasgorga dall’assemblea”,…

  32. a Massimiliano, Luca e tutta la compagnia ragliante dei soliti cloni neocat.

    Sono anni che ragli/ragliate le stesse idiozie, prima sul sito dell’Osservatorio e ora anche qui.
    In tanti anni, oltre a ragliare ed insultare, non hai/avete mai saputo che dire.
    Quante volte ti/vi abbiamo scritto e ripetuto che lo Statuto non può modificare la Liturgia? Quante volte ti/ vi abbiamo ripetuto che l’indulto concesso riguarda solo il ricevere al proprio posto l’Eucaristia?

    The rest, da somari raglianti come te/voi, che ragliano solo le menzogne e le bestialità che ti/vi ordinano i kikatekisti, che ci si può aspettare?

    Ci sarebbe da ridere, se non fosse che è in mano a gente come voi la vita di tanti sprovveduti.

    p.s. Sankiko censore vi ha espressamente proibito di stare su internet. Come osate disobbedirgli?

  33. @ Pax
    A proposito di Cammino e Papi.

    Ti ricordi quando venne eletto Benedetto XVI? Sankiko si aspettava un invito immediato e invece niente. Solo dopo mesi e mesi e grazie agli appoggi deicardinali nostri amiciriuscì ad avere un incontro.

    E come la raccontarono i kikatekisti al popolino neocat? Girando la frittata! Secondo loro il Papa disse con meraviglia a Sankiko “As, sono Papa da sei mesi e non sei mai venuto a trovarmi”! E Sankiko patrono degli umili che gli risponde: “Non volevo disturbare, non mi sono permesso…”

    Prego i somari raglianti di cui sopra di voler notare il “you” confidenziale e l’umiltà di Sankiko che dicenon sum dignus”.

    E come dimenticare quando dopo i richiami papali sugli abusi liturgici dissero che il Papa quelle cose le aveva dette solo perchédoveva”, facendo capire che non contavano nulla. E infatti si continuò a fare come pareva a Sankiko ciarlatano.

    Provate a smentirle, raglianti.

    1. Confermo tutto. D’altra parte sono specialisti in sceneggiate ad effetto. Le costruiscono ad arte per soggiogare e ingannare il popolino adorante. Poi le imprese ardite passano di bocca in bocca e nasce la leggenda. How many “Il Papa ci ha detto che…” solo sulla loro parola!
      Quella sugli abusi liturgici è rimasta memorabile. Davvero le parole del Papa non davano scampo. Fu detto che il Papa stesso, quando andarono a piagnucolare che togliere l’Eucarestia al Cammino significava distruggerlo, li tranquillizzodicendo che per tutti erano quelle parole ma non per loro.

      Pax

  34. Così come è eretico far comunicare il Sacerdote insieme ai fedeli: in questo modo non solo si confonde il Sacerdozio ministeriale con il Sacerdozio comune, but, Worse, ci si accosta alla Sacra Mensa prima che sia compiuto il Sacrificio, in una sorta di (mi si perdoni l’immagine) “coito interrotto eucaristico”‘
    È assolutamente fuorviante che voi continuiate a giocare sul concetto di memoriale, facendo finta di credere al Sacrificio della Messa.
    Sacrificio=passaggio dalla morte alla vita: No, questo non è il sacrificio!
    Non offriamo la risurrezione.
    Non offriamo la veglia pasquale.
    La risurrezione è semmai il compimento del sacrificio, è l’atto conclusivo della morte di Cristo. Ma il sacrificio o la celebrazione eucaristica non è “il passaggio”, questo è un tentativo di giudaizzare il cattolicesimo: i giudei hanno un passaggio e noi introduciamo un memoriale di un passaggio. La messa non è un passaggio, è la morte di Cristo.
    E si rinnova l’unica morte di Cristo solo ad uno scopo: quello di poterla offrire molte volte al Padre per ottenerne ogni volta dei benefici,
    che è proprio quella idea pagana che voi non concepite.

  35. Luca, questa volta hai passato il segno; ma come ti esprimi?

    1. Kiko e Carmen si sono posti in un luogo elevato assoggettandosi da soli al pubblico giudizio, dal momento che si sono arrogati il potere di governare la vita delle persone, non credi?

    2. the Madonna, che si scrive con la maiuscola, tu dici che sa scegliere i suoiaiutanti”. Really? Mentre Ella stessa è venerata e invocata come “Auxilium Cristianorum”!

    3. Credi di colpire Padre Ariel accusandolo di rincorrere invano la fama (facendo cosa poi, attaccando il grande Kiko?) mentre dimostri soltanto quale sia l’unica cosa che conta per voi, che siete alla sequela del re di tutti i megalomani e narcisisti.

    4. A Father Ariel, incalzi, “non se lo fila nessunoe io aggiungo tranne voi che lo considerate così importante da perderci la pace e il sonno!

    5. I Papi, and then, hanno SEMPRE parlato a favore del cammino. Ma fammi il piacere! Neanche tu ci credi ché vuoi mandarci a riprova i tuoivideo cretinetticome tu stesso strambamente li chiami!

    6.. Poi concludi in bellezza: Vattelo a cercare da solo, tu che passi la vita su internet invece di fare il prete. Mi permetto di risponderti anche su questo: siamo persone libere, non soggette al giogo kikiano che impone il divieto di usare i social e navigare in rete dietro la parolina neocatecumenato. Dunque dedichiamo a questa attività il tempo che riteniamo opportuno senza incorrere in peccato. Ma tu come fai che stai sempre qui e intervieni pure? Lo hai detto ai tuoi kikatechisti? Che fai? Un cammino di doppiezza?
    Poi meglio che mandi i tuoivideo cretinetti”. Altrimenti rischi che in internet troviamo quelli non sottoposti a censura o sapientemente tagliati e ti fai male da solo.

    Ma se invece di fare il camminante obbediente stai su internet tutta la vita, sai che ti dico? Molto meglio, magari prima o poi la mente si apre e
    anche io concludo

    GRAZIE A DIO

    Pax
    ……….

  36. Oggi in ufficio commentavano il blog di ariel: well….vi dico solo che la cosa ha preso una piega ridicola ed ho sentito commenti da suoi colleghi prelati che sfioravano il comico.
    Per farvela breve, tutti ne parlano come di una persona (oltre che ignorante) estremamente egocentrica e con mire professionali impossibili da raggiungere per manifesta ignoranza.
    Auguri ariel e complimenti per la fama😂😂😂

    1. lei non crede, assieme a questi inesistenti prelati, che se io avessimire professionali impossibili da raggiungere”, parlerei solo ed esclusivamente di poveri, migrants, svolte epocali, Chiesa in uscita e via dicendo a seguire?
      Perché è a questo modo che da un podi anni a questa parte si diventa vescovi e cardinali, I say so, lo provano i fatti e le nomine tutte e rigorosamente univoche.

      Amenità a parte: ma del mio libro, che ovviamente lei avrà esaminato da cima a fondo leggendolo pagina dietro pagina, chiedendo pareri ai teologo più esperti per avere prova e conferma di quanto io sia ignorante, che cosa ne dice? Perché a smontare un libro scritto da un incapace e pieno come voi dite di falsità, occorrerebbe davvero poco.
      Perché nessuno l’ha ancòra fatto?

      Ciò che invece posso dirle e dimostrarle io in qualsiasi momento è questo: inutilmente i neokatekiki hanno cercato in modo veramente disperato anche uno straccio di teologo, anche un solo vescovo emerito quasi centenario che gli dicesse la “Word” contro di me che loro volevano sentirsi dire, ed a tal proposito hanno battuto in lungo e in largo.

      Vuole spiegarmi perché neppure i vostri stessi difensori si sono presi la responsabilità di affermare che sono un emerito ignorante autore di un ammasso di corbellerie distribuite in 315 pagine di testo?

      Ce lo spieghi, perché sono certo che dal suo onirico Pianeta delle Scimmie, di tutto lei può mancare, fuorchè di risposte fantascientifiche pronte all’uso.

      1. Leggo nella risposta una sberla al Papa ed una accesa gelosia per non esser stato mai nominato….pariamone ariel coraggio….eg….trovati un hobby!! 😂😂😂😂

        1. Signor Vati,

          Lei da piccolo sarà sicuramente caduto dalla culla, non si capisce un tubo di quello che farfuglia, l’hobby se lo trovi lei, Padre Ariel non ha scritto questo libro per hobby, ma per far sapere la verità e di tutto quello che ha scritto non c’é una virgola di bugia,ci sono persone che uscite da questa setta hanno dovuto ricorrere a un psicologo, ma quello vero, non un psicologo rimbambito del cammino.
          Lo volete capire che questo movimento é pericoloso? Anzi stia attento anche lei non si sa mai un giorno potreste avere bisogno di una parola di conforto proprio da quel prete che tutti voi state calunniando.

    2. Roberto, lei è in ufficio con dei colleghi prelati di Padre Ariel? lavora in Vaticano o in qualche curia?

      And then, seguendo questo blog da anni, posso dirle che l’ultima, ma proprio l’ultima accusa che si possa fare a Padre Ariel è di essere ignorante, com’è del tutto evidente a chiunque sappia e voglia leggere. Persino meno sostenibile di quella di essere un carrierista, che pure è assurda dati i rischi che, se fosse tale, correrebbe a ogni post e dai quali, sempre in tal caso, ben si guarderebbe dall’esporsi.

      Therefore, non so chi siano questi “all” to which it refers, ma sinceramente, se esistono, li compiango.

      Certamente il titolare del blog non ha bisogno della mia difesa, ma davanti ad affermazioni come le sue è difficile trattenersi.

      1. Father Ariel Caro,

        faccia una bella cosa: raccolga tutti i commenti con insulti e parolacce e scriva un altro bel libro, gli dia come titoloLA DIALETTICA DELLA SETTA DI KIKO”, poi fatelo recapitare al Papa, cosi vediamo se pensa ancora che questi sono frutto dello SPIRITO SANTO, al mio parere questi sono frutto di SATANA,infatti durante gli esorcismi il satanone sputa e insulta il prete con parolacce di ogni genere, da qui si può capire chi sono questi signori.L

        Lilly

        1. La nostra dialettica???
          Rispondi: cosa è più graveun nostro vaffanculo o asserire che Paolo VI, John Paul II, Benedetto XVI e Francesco sono dei rincoglioniti perché sono poco informati?
          Ah già dimenticavole vostre fonti sono i commenti anonimi di tripudio sul blog…Oh sorry…ora capisco.
          Sei un ciarlatano; non mi vengono altre parole
          Paul

          1. Lei è un bugiardo con una ulteriore aggravante: l’arrogante arroganza tipica di chi parla di ciò che non conosce.
            Il discorso in questione è il mio libro. Ebbene sul mio libroche lei non ha assolutamente letto, ma di cui parla aggredendo l’Autore in maniera odiosale affermazioni ed i giudizi sui Sommi Pontefici che mi attribuisce non sono contenute, ma c’è di pù: non hanno mai attraversato neppure i miei più reconditi pensieri.

            Per tanto le chiedo: She, che pure paga puntualmente la decima alla sua setta, 25 euro per comprare, quindi leggere e poi criticare il mio libro dopo averlo letto, proprio non ce li ha?

            In caso contrario taccia, perché non può aggredirmi attribuendomi il puro, semplice gratuito e assurdo falso, riferendosi a un’opera di cui non ha letto nemmeno una pagina.

          2. No Paolo,
            È grave l’eresia.
            È grave negare il Sacrificio della Messa e considerarla un mero banchetto pasquale.
            È grave modificare il Messale Romano per adattarlo ai propri capricci dottrinali.
            È grave considerarsiil sale della terraper il fatto stesso di appartenere al Cammino, e ritenere gli altri cristianisalati” da can.
            È grave irridere il Sacramento della Penitenza con quella orripilante catechesi che continuate imperterriti a ripetere a pappagallo.
            È grave non inginocchiarsi mai alla Consacrazione.
            È grave obbligare i fedeli a ricevere la Sacra Particola sulla mano.
            È grave insegnare che la Chiesa si sia paganizzata da Costantino al Concilio Vaticano II.
            È grave ritenere l’uomo incapace di fare il bene.
            È grave violare il foro interno durante gli scrutini.
            È grave tenere nascosto il Direttorio Catechetico.
            È grave considerare obbligatoria la decima.
            È grave pretendere l’obbedienza ai catechisti .
            Questo è grave

    3. Roberto,

      tu stesso confermi che Padre Ariel diventa ogni giorno più famoso, conosciuto.
      Tutti ne parlano!
      Anche nel tuo ufficio.
      Perfino i colleghi prelati parlano di lui!
      You, difensori di Kiko a prescindere, perdete il vostro tempo dietro a chi avete liquidato (per cui che avete da temere?) as a “ignorant” patentato?
      E ridete e fate le comiche o vi incavolate e ingiuriate.
      Qualcosa non mi torna.
      Ti ricordo solo che Gesù diceGuai a voi che ora ridete, perché sarete afflitti e piangerete. Guai quando tutti gli uomini diranno bene di voi….” and, I might add, quando vi nutrite solo di lodi e di vanagloria come il bramoso Kiko.

      Pax

        1. DV

          Opera, Yes!
          Opera meritoria.
          Opera buona, in ogni senso.
          Opera letteraria.
          Opera secondo la volontà di Dio.
          Opera a lungo attesa da noi ex camminanti, testimoni impotenti di mille nefandezze (portate a compimento nel c.n. dai pezzi grossi al seguito di Kiko e da Kiko stesso PESSIMO ESEMPIO per i suoi fedeli imitatori), che per anni abbiamo pazientato, nella speranza che, restando dentro l’esperienza, potessimo dare il nostro contributo al risanamento di un sistema che si dimostrava ogni giorno di più irrimediabilmente corrotto alle radici

          Usate solo brutte parole, dimostrando cosi una volta di più, carissimo DV di essere proprio inDiaVolati!
          Trovate PACE!
          Tanto ormai non ci ferma nessuno!

          Pax

  37. Per padre Ariel. Tenga duro.

    [1] Al maestro del coro. Sull’aria: “Cerva dell’aurora”.
    Salmo. Di Davide.
    [2] “Dio mio, Dio mio, perché mi hai abbandonato?
    Tu sei lontano dalla mia salvezza”:
    sono le parole del mio lamento.
    [3] Dio mio, invoco di giorno e non rispondi,
    grido di notte e non trovo riposo.
    [4] Eppure tu abiti la santa dimora,
    you, lode di Israele.
    [5] In te hanno sperato i nostri padri,
    hanno sperato e tu li hai liberati;
    [6] a te gridarono e furono salvati,
    sperando in te non rimasero delusi.
    [7] Ma io sono verme, non uomo,
    infamia degli uomini, rifiuto del mio popolo.
    [8] Mi scherniscono quelli che mi vedono,
    storcono le labbra, scuotono il capo:
    [9] “Si è affidato al Signore, lui lo scampi;
    lo liberi, se è suo amico”.
    [10] Sei tu che mi hai tratto dal grembo,
    mi hai fatto riposare sul petto di mia madre.
    [11] Al mio nascere tu mi hai raccolto,
    dal grembo di mia madre sei tu il mio Dio.
    [12] Da me non stare lontano,
    poiché l’angoscia è vicina
    e nessuno mi aiuta.
    [13] Mi circondano tori numerosi,
    mi assediano tori di Basan.
    [14] Spalancano contro di me la loro bocca
    come leone che sbrana e ruggisce.
    [15] Come acqua sono versato,
    sono slogate tutte le mie ossa.
    Il mio cuore è come cera,
    si fonde in mezzo alle mie viscere.

    [16] È arido come un coccio il mio palato,
    la mia lingua si è incollata alla gola,
    su polvere di morte mi hai deposto.

    [17] Un branco di cani mi circonda,
    mi assedia una banda di malvagi;
    hanno forato le mie mani e i miei piedi,

    [18] posso contare tutte le mie ossa.
    Essi mi guardano, mi osservano:

    [19] si dividono le mie vesti,
    sul mio vestito gettano la sorte.

    [20] Ma tu, Lord, non stare lontano,
    mia forza, accorri in mio aiuto.

    [21] Scampami dalla spada,
    dalle unghie del cane la mia vita.

    [22] Salvami dalla bocca del leone
    e dalle corna dei bufali.

    [23] Annunzierò il tuo nome ai miei fratelli,
    ti loderò in mezzo all’assemblea.

    [24] Lodate il Signore, voi che lo temete,
    gli dia gloria la stirpe di Giacobbe,
    lo tema tutta la stirpe di Israele;
    [25] perché egli non ha disprezzato
    né sdegnato l’afflizione del misero,
    non gli ha nascosto il suo volto,
    but, al suo grido d’aiuto, lo ha esaudito.

    [26] Sei tu la mia lode nella grande assemblea,
    scioglierò i miei voti davanti ai suoi fedeli.

    [27] I poveri mangeranno e saranno saziati,
    loderanno il Signore quanti lo cercano:
    “Viva il loro cuore per sempre”.

    [28] Ricorderanno e torneranno al Signore
    tutti i confini della terra,
    si prostreranno davanti a lui
    tutte le famiglie dei popoli.

    [29] Poiché il regno è del Signore,
    egli domina su tutte le nazioni.

    [30] A lui solo si prostreranno quanti dormono sotto terra,
    davanti a lui si curveranno
    quanti discendono nella polvere.
    E io vivrò per lui,

    [31] lo servirà la mia discendenza.
    Si parlerà del Signore alla generazione che viene;

    [32] annunzieranno la sua giustizia;
    al popolo che nascerà diranno:
    “Ecco l’opera del Signore!”.

  38. Per fare un po’d’ordine, mi permetto di ricopiare il seguente commento di Massimiliano, pubblicato sopra in risposta a orenzo del 31 ottobre alle 12:27, che chiede tutt’altro, Actually.

    Mentre di seguito, e sul preciso argomento che affronta, Massimiliano ha avuto diverse altre risposte che evidentemente preferisce ignorare.

    Massimiliano C. he said:
    2 November 2019 all 1:57

    Io capisco benissimo le domande, è lei che non capisce le risposte.

    Ps. Sono giorni che su questo sito di odiatori spiego come avviene il momento della comunione ed è stato anche confermato da altri odiatori come lei. Non devo smentire un bel niente perché avviene come prescritto dallo statuto approvato. SEMPRE NELLE DUE SPECIE , SI RICEVE IN PIEDI, PANE AZZIMO E VINO E AL PROPRIO POSTO. Non so più in che lingua dirlo, ma non si sforzi tanto di capire e non si preoccupi di rispondere perché io non le risponderò più.

    Ps. 2
    or better, la prossima volta le farò un disegnino.
    Massimiliano Conti.

    Cosa è stato confermato dagli odiatori, of grace?

    Lei Massimiliano deve chiarire una cosa sola semplice semplice ossia cosa intende per SI RICEVE IN PIEDI.
    ….

  39. …. intende che si prende nelle mani e SI CONSUMA STANDO ANCORA IN PIEDI, ognuno appena ricevuto il Corpo e il Sangue di Cristo dal presbitero che distribuisce passando per l’assemblea?
    Lei afferma che il Pane non si consuma stando seduti e tutti insieme?
    Cosa avremmo confermato noi “haters”?

    Pax

    1. Caro father Ariel,

      ho letto il suo libro per ben due volte,la prima un potroppo in fretta(non vedevo l’ora di conoscere il contenuto), volevo dirvi che comunque per tutte le volte che ho finito di leggerlo mi é rimasto un amaro in bocca, e un senso di disgusto, soprattutto leggendo alla fine la risposta che é stata data a Padre Enrico Zoffoli(God rest his soul, non posso capacitarmi che la chiesa é fatta in questo modo. La chiesa che dovrebbe accogliere e confortare non muove un dito, si rende complice di questi demoni, motivo per cui mi sono allontanata rispetto a prima che facendo parte del gruppo del rosario ci andavo quasi tutti i giorni, and not just me, ma anche mio figlio e mia nuora che da quando sono usciti dal cammino (thank God) stentano a mettere piedi in chiesa,ci sentiamo traditi.

      La chiesa non puó neanche immaginare il danno che abbiamo subito noi e centinaia di persone, tutti i vescovi sacerdoti e quanti altri se la vedranno davanti a Dio, forse chissà quando morirò andrò all’inferno? Ma sono sicura che sotto i miei piedi dimoreranno oltre tutti quelli del cammino neocatecumenale (Kiko e Carmen in testa) anche parecchi Illustri prelati.

      P.S complimenti per il libro.

      1. contact Lilly,

        Hell exists, è una realtà, non è affatto vuoto ma sicuramente molto popolato, andarci non è però facile come a volte sembra.
        She, sua nuora e suo figlio, avete sicuramente bisogno di un bravo sacerdote che possa seguirvi, sanando anzitutto le vostre ferite.
        Mi mandi un messaggio privato, mi darò da fare a cercarvi, quanto più possibile vicino a dove vivete, un mio confratello che possa esservi di guida, aiuto e conforto.
        Grazie a Dio sono in contatto con molti sacerdoti sparsi in giro per l’Italia.

        Ricordi infine che c’è un peccato terribile nel quale non bisogna mai cadere: la disperazione.
        Dopo la vostra triste e dolorosa esperienza in questa setta, voi avete bisogno anzitutto di recuperare la speranza, che sta nel mezzo alle altre due virtù teologali della fede e della carità, ed a suo modo le amalgama assieme.

        Con un augurio di ogni bene a lei e alla sua famiglia.

        1. La ringrazio Padre Ariel del suo interesse per noi,fortunatamente proprio in questi giorni un mio amico (anche Egli uscito fuori dalla setta)mi ha fatto conoscere un bravo sacerdote che già sta aiutando Lui,e ho pensato anch’io di affidarmi a Lui.
          GRAZIE DI CUORE CHE DIO LA BENEDICA.

  40. Sempre la stessa storiadue giorni di pubblicazioni poi il post finisce nella categoria a cui appartiene il blog….IL NULLA ASSOLUTO…..

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