We shall have great sorrow of the: We do not dispute with the excommunicated. Our magazine responds only to what its authors write in these columns, not what Father John writes Cavalcoli around blogs

With great sadness: DO NOT DISPUTE WITH excommunicated. OUR MAGAZINE SAYS THAT ONLY THAT OF ITS AUTHORS WRITE ON THIS COLUMN, NOT OF WHAT FATHER Cavalcoli WRITES AROUND BLOGS

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For two years now, Padre Ariel S. Levi Gualdo He repeated unnecessarily and deaf ears to Father John Cavalcoli that sometimes required the greatness of humility that leads us to remain silent. There are in fact situations and objective facts before which you can not - at least at the moment -, and to have an answer. If you persist in any case to answer, believing that we should always have an answer for everything, it cost even bring up a will of God until just before completely unknown to the Church Mater et Magistra, in that case we run the serious risk of falling into serious errors, but mainly to disorient the people of God.

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For two days our staff is deluged with messages Readers seeking enlightenment on a surgery done on the blog The deep the journalist Aldo Maria Valli from the Dominican theologian Giovanni Cavalcoli, father co-founder of this magazine. The surgery is enclosed under the title: "Father Cavalcoli: “Bravo don Minutella, But here's where mistakes”» [see text WHO]. Needless to say, but they also point out: Aldo Maria Valli is a well-known journalist and a recognized gentleman who has played only their jobs, giving space to this author who specifically asked it to him.

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It must first be clarified Get to quibble with a priest as Alessandro Minutella which were two excommunications imposed by order of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Congregation for the Clergy and gaining ground in public lectures, written and video that the "Holy Mass celebrated in communion with the anti-pope Bergoglio it is not valid" [cf. video WHO], is unfortunately a lack of style for an elderly Dominican theologian and a pontifical academic, who should know that the effect of these excommunications implies the statement from the Holy See that this priest is excluded from the Catholic Church and is no longer part of it up to his audience and complete repentance from error. Indeed, the Reverend Alexander Minutella, member of the Presbytery of Palermo, It is expressed the Holy See with a twofold act of excommunication blatantly rejected by excommunicated that has replicated declaring the illegality of the reigning Pope. obvious question, and based on the most basic common sense: what to Father John excommunication? It should play a priest who blatant error resulted in heresy and public manifests and who refuses all the way to reason? [cf. our previous article, WHO].

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It is disturbing that Father John Cavalcoli claims and face mind what he said are different and just reasons for this excommunicated, because applying similar logic, the distinguished senior theologian should explain similar way all what are the reasons and the right elements that are also found in the thought of Arius and Pelagius, but above all in the Modernists and that Karl Rahner he recriminations and nausea in all its articles. And then, if common sense we want to apply the logic of Aristotle, the eminent Dominican theologian should know that before heresy, the good reasons subsisting lose any value because the error is so serious that dominates and destroys all that good could exist, making precisely insussistenti. Or if we can clarify matters with the so-called Hitler paradigm, namely: we admit that even Adolf Hitler will be in the good and the sensitive bottom, in addition to the good reasons reactive, for example the way in which Germany, after World War, He was humiliated and brought to its knees at the negotiating table of the Peace of Versailles. It is also known that all the General Staff of the SS. empty it leader crying in pain, when he died his beloved sheepdog; and during private parties in the mountains, he softened before the children of Nazi leaders and lavished in attention towards them with great affection. Clarified and demonstrated all, but especially by applying the logic of proportions based on the principle of existence and non-existence, someone bring himself to say and explain that even Adolf Hitler there were good reasons at the bottom, as well as the sensible and common, especially if below then we start to analyze that for a child of "pure Aryan" he caressed tenderly, there were a thousand more, mostly German Jews, dead in the laboratories of Joseph Mengele who subjected them to painful torture using them as guinea pigs?

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It is not prudent to discuss with who, for his willful and unreasonable refusal of any kind of dialogue with the Ecclesiastical Authority, it was for this very impressed with dual excommunication, unless it is not the same ecclesiastical authority requesting or commanding to a bishop, a priest or an elderly theologian to do, dictating to both the reasons and ways in which to discuss with one excommunicated, for example for groped to bring it back on the right path. Well, Father John has probably received this mandate from the Holy See? Or maybe, his theological mission, It is above all ecclesiastical authorities? But above: in this climate of confusion that infests the body of the faithful, he considers to render to the Church and to Christi fideles a particularly splendid service, announcing Urbi et Orbi what are the underlying reasons for an excommunicated heretic who sows poisons, even then proceeding to enunciate those that are his mistakes? Our duty and responsibility, is it not to protect the people of God, disorient instead of offering explanations that the excommunicated in question has a whole series of reasons undoubted, only to add: and, but …? Or perhaps believes, Father John, that all players really understand the obvious errors of this heretic excommunicated, after his introductory effusive enunciation of all those who would be his reasons? Acting with such lightness and serious pastoral and pedagogical, the distinguished Dominican theologian does not think that would lead many readers to believe that this priest Palermo - specializing now for a couple of years to declare himself a victim persecuted by the "false church of the anti Bergoglio" -, end up figure as a subject struck and punished precisely because of those valid reasons listed by Father John throughout the introductory part of his written?

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That said this is added: They were not perhaps the most illustrious Dominican theologians to explain and to recommend Christi fideles and priests not very versed in theology, to stay away from the excommunicated and heretics, and not to talk to them? Having said this it is clear that Alexander Minutella excommunications, He not received it for trash amministrative, but for two offense of heresy manifests and stubborn, for schism and instigation of God's people and priests the schism and the rejection of the highest authority of the Successor of Peter as he declared anti-pope, therefore illegitimate usurper of the Chair of Peter.

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With truly terrible pain, we must realize that in its lines the Father Giovanni has unfortunately statement of colossal blunders historically, both legally and theologically plan.

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We do not want to shirk debate, but for the great affection and human tenderness that binds us to him let us do it, if anything, urging his superiors to submit his writing to some eminent scholars Dominicans, for example to Father Daniel Ols, valiant dogmatic theologian, and Father Bruno Esposito, valiant canon lawyer and professor of Canon Law at the Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas. It is very likely that the latter will not fail to explain such serious terms Father John confuse Christi fideles already too confused giving for granted and existing legal options that do not exist, for example the figure of “Pope Emeritus”, the “double papacy”, or worse two pontiffs “both of these features but one of the active ministry and the other retired in passive ministry”, in conclusion “two popes both in their legitimate diversity of ministry”, as he says between the lines of his speech on the blog Aldo Maria Valli.

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The term “Pope Emeritus” It is just a colloquialism and improper, or better journalism, why in the last five years it was established by the Church the figure and the legal institution of “Pope Emeritus” entered as such in the Code of Canon Law. On the contrary: on this subject all the canonists are silent, including the distinguished canonist Jesuit Gianfranco Ghirlanda, that shortly after the resignation of Benedict XVI he did not fail to point out and explain that a waiver is legitimate and the Code of Canon Law and that the withdrawing would have to return to its previous state election to the holy throne, as:

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"It is clear that the pope who resigned is no longer Pope, therefore no longer has any authority in the Church and can not interfere in any government deal. One may wonder who will retain the title Benedict XVI. We think that should be awarded the title of emeritus Bishop of Rome, like every other diocesan bishop who ceases " [see article, WHO].

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Since, however,, the things, They have been different, today we are in fact faced with a paradox that more than five years away from the act of renunciation of Benedict XVI was not clear ancòra, let alone regulated by a special legal institute; perhaps ever created because it can not really, be created.

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On never established legal institution of “Pope Emeritus” no canonist has never expressed, even speculating, much less before the paradox never happened before in the history of the Church “two pontiffs, one ruler and one withdrawn, both legitimate as such”. This argues that Father John 78 years has become of even expert canonist sudden, melting on blog Journalists of the nodes that the Church still has not melted. It did not loose them because the Church, silent, It expects the death of Benedict XVI puts an end to the legal paradox that in fact you created, since the quitter has not returned to its previous state election, but above all it has failed, before its renunciation, to create the new and specific legal institution of so-called “Pope Emeritus”.

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Father John peaked in his writing stating:

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"Christ chose only one Pope as Pope in exercise of his office. But he did not rule out the possibility of two legitimate Popes, as it is today, of which, but, one exercises his office, or Francis'.

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This statement is very serious because it brings up the will, Therefore, Father John has a moral duty and theology to explain how, in what form and with what words Christ the Lord "did not rule out the possibility of two legitimate Popes', because if in this regard received a revelation, It must first submit it to the Church, then wait for the Church to recognize it as authentic supernatural revelation.

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For two years now, Padre Ariel S. Levi Gualdo He repeated unnecessarily and deaf ears to Father John Cavalcoli that sometimes required the greatness of humility that leads us to remain silent. There are in fact situations and objective facts before which you can not - at least at the moment -, and to have an answer. If you persist in any case to answer, believing that we should always have an answer for everything, it cost even bring up a will of God until just before completely unknown to the Church Mater et Magistra, in that case we run the serious risk of falling into serious errors, but mainly to disorient the people of God.

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For two years Father John It is stubborn to leave their metaphysical skills philosopher and theologian Thomistic to embark on various current issues for which lacks knowledge and especially practical convenience; to follow along with historical and legal matters where it lacks adequate depth knowledge, as unfortunately it has amply demonstrated recently by intervening in a frenzy of different and complex social and ecclesial issues. And all this, to us, caused much suffering, and every truly loving and fraternal attempt to get him to think it was unfortunately terminated in effect bouncing ball on a rubber wall.

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We find ourselves in a serious embarrassment in responding to the readers that many now ask us what happened to this famous theologian; and when they could no longer hide, Father John before jumping has long been a blog other, Finally, we must painfully admit in public that when he fixed on a point becomes intractable until the critical sense of logical loss, such as when he recently wrote and said that the Supreme Pontiff:

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«[…] is infallible even if it was not so much a sinner, but freely closed to Grace, because grace still would operate beyond his own will, because the Holy Spirit would work and would never allow beyond his will and of his own free will that can fall into error in matters of doctrine and faith ".

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Faced with these statements Father Ariel S. Levi Gualdo, without mentioning the Father John Cavalcoli, He responded with an article entitled: "Can a Roman Pontiff legitimately elected and legitimate Successor of the Blessed Apostle Peter to be deprived of the grace of state?» [see WHO]. Explaining between the lines of his text that the principle of non-contradiction God, that can not give the man of freedom and free will on the one hand, for then the other if necessary revoke these faculties - which are moreover a suffix of the mystery of creation - and more, all, through the work of the Holy Spirit (!?).

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We do not respond on the merits of what is written by Father Giovanni on blog Aldo Maria Valli because we believe that the answer has already been given by Cardinal Walter Brandmüller, which it is a great scholar who knows and deeply their job of Church historian and ecclesiologist [The article of Cardinal text is readable WHO]. If Father John had only last this article, He would have avoided certain unhappy outputs, starting with the recognition of the reasons or the positive elements which he said there in thinking and acting of a stubborn and unrepentant heretic like Alexander Minutella.

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In conclusion: among the five points about the errors that Father John Cavalcoli tells Alessandro Minutella, it is not even vaguely mentioned the serious and impious assertion of this priest excommunicated about the invalidity of all the Masses celebrated in communion with the Supreme Pontiff Francis. And this is really disturbing, a theologian who begins to refute a heretic on blog a Catholic journalist, forgetting precisely that element which is the real heresy apotheosis of Alexander Minutella, in which there is good and there are good reasons to the extent that they may exist in the so-called Hitler paradigm above-enunciated between these lines.

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the Island of Patmos, 9 January 2019

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7 thoughts on "We shall have great sorrow of the: We do not dispute with the excommunicated. Our magazine responds only to what its authors write in these columns, not what Father John writes Cavalcoli around blogs

  1. Di nuovo ottimo articolo: coraggioso e molto sentito. Avete tutta la mia ammirazione perché altrove avrebbero fatto di tutto per giustificare. Invece voi avete applicato la regola della parresia di Cristo, that “non guarda in faccia nessuno”. Posso solo auspicare la ‘pax teologica’, fra voi e il padre ma anche per don Minutella e il suo ravvedimento. La mia povera preghiera per questi due propositi

  2. Sono in consonanza totale con Lei, Father Ariel! P. Cavalcoli, che stimo e apprezzo, certamente col sano proposito di aiutare a comprendere meglio la nostra Dottrina, si espone pericolosamente a controversie (a volte inesistenti), alimentando più confusione che comprensione. Occorre anche tenere conto della medio-bassa cultura religiosa che noi lettori abbiamo nei riguardi della nostra fede. Ottima questa chiarificazione.

  3. Permettetemi un appunto al discorso di Pietro che possa perdere il suo stato di grazia riferito alle fede per cui ci possiamo trovare un papa eretico, se ho ben capito. Storicamente Pietro riceve il mandato da Gesù prima della discesa dello Spirito Santo. Non è lo Spirito Santo che guida la chiesa, sceglie la persona e gli permette l’infallibilità? Possibile che vi sia una chiesa sostituita da un Regno di Dio senza guida sulla terra? Ho un poco le idee confuse. Thanks

  4. Molte eresie hanno contrapposto una ecclesia fidelis invisibile (spirituale o simile) e una ecclesia infidelis visibile (fleshly, malignantium ecc.). Nel XIV secolo anche Ockham e molti teologi da lui influenzati (D’Ailly) sostenevano che la Chiesa avrebbe potuto ridursi a una sola vecchietta come un tempo fu per Maria sotto la croce (la cosiddetta Restlehre). Del resto lo stesso Lutero e i Riformati calvinisti coi loro predestinati invisibili vanno da questa parte. Ma già Jean Gerson, richiamando l’insegnamento dello Pseudo-Dionigi l’Aeropagita, puntualizzava che la vera Chiesa era quella visibile, fatta di santi e peccatori, in tutta la sua gerarchia (e nei primi secoli, quando ancora non era visibile in tutti i suoi gradi gerarchici, questi erano in potenza). Che i suoi membri, in alto o in basso, siano santi o peccatori che finiranno all’inferno, non importa, questa è la Chiesa, indefettibile fino alla fine dei tempi. Il che non significa che i singoli non possano perdere la fede. Even the predicted canonical (only in the Middle Ages) the theoretical possibility of Hereticus pope (only reason deposition), but that was debated, and it never occurred. The Church is the Church.

    So the hypothesis that the pope (as Pope, not as individual believer) can refuse the pneumatological guide, made by p. Ariel, from an ecclesiological point of view it is complicated. That he might lose faith, sinfulness, go to hell, was such an obvious time in figurative or poetic (Dante) tiaras abounded hell, with miter and the galeri (the end of time there may not be a faithful, but the Church should remain unfailing). Put the popes in hell was the favorite sport in the Middle Ages. Che però l’ufficio papale cessi di essere indefettibile, e con lui la Chiesa, questo si legge in molte profezie, l’anticristo insediato a Roma, pseudoprofeti, etc., se è possibile da un punto di vista ecclesiologico lo può dire solo un teologo e quindi questo lo chiedo a p. Ariel. Non si rischia di ripetere la contrapposizione Chiesa visibile-invisibile? Però confesso la mia ignoranza, sono discorsi difficili, non da buttare lì. A uno storico di per sé non interessa, ma a uno storico della Chiesa onesto, fosse pure un massone miscredente sì. Grazie di un parere.

  5. And not’ con le barzellette, con battute ricche di folklore, con gatti e gattine che si difende la fede e la sana dottrina, ma con il coraggio senza doppiogiochismo, un colpo al cerchio e uno alla botte! Una elementarissima indagine porterebbe chiunque ad avere piudi un dubbio sulla legittimitadi questo papa senza essere tacciato di eresia! Esiste anche la autodelegittimazione con fatti e con parole!

    1. Dear Antonio,

      noi che viviamo nei pronto soccorso della cosiddetta «Chiesa ospedale da campo» e non nelle idee di «Chiesa ospedale da campo» che serpeggia negli isolati palazzi spesso dissociati dal reale, i disagi analoghi al suo li tocchiamo tutti i giorni con le mani, anche nel corso delle confessioni sacramentali, dove non pochi fedeli, for years, esprimono molte perplessità.

      E nel reale «ospedale da campo» noi dobbiamo dare delle risposte a quesiti anche molto più severi del suo, perché è poi a noi, che i fedeli si rivolgono.

      Detto questo tenga conto che nessuno di noi, receiving the sacred priestly order, He promised the bishop esteem, sympathy and unconditional support in all its expressions and utterances more or less happy, as I wrote several times and explained to me several articles on the specific theme. This kind of promises were interested in fact professed only by that crowd of journalists who even created two distinct groups: “friends of Francis” and the “enemies of Francis”.

      The memories so that we priests, the ordaining bishop in full communion with the Bishop of Rome, we promise filial respect and obedience devout, we have not promised estimated or unconditional sympathy.

      In different but similar way, this obedience and devotion to the Ecclesiastical Authority, It must also be exercised by all the baptized.

      No bishop and no priest has solemnly promised: “I promise I will always count the Roman Pontiff” which “I will always be nice”; During a solemn sacramental act we have promised to respect and obey him.

      For years, the reigning Pontiff are sown doubts ranging from accusations of heresy to questions about his legitimate election, such as those raised by award-doctoral Alessandro Maria Minutella priest Palermo, all as proof of what these days we can granting a degree in sacred theology without knowing even the rudiments of Catholic doctrine and canon law.

      It remains at the time irrefutable that the Roman Pontiff is valid and lawfully in their office until proved otherwise not easy. E sino ad oggi, proven guilty, there is not; and I doubt, sincerely, that such a test may be in the future.

      Therefore, the Pope Francis I, that like it or not, It is due filial respect and devout obedience.

      After that, it can also happen that a priest excommunicated and out of balance, a video and a video no need to reassure the people confused with his two doctorates, You can also think otherwise, up to fall into the theological aberration with the statement that "the Holy Mass celebrated in communion with the anti-Pope Francis is invalid".
      Not by chance has been rightly excommunicated, and every faithful Catholic, especially those who experience discomfort for the ministry of this pontificate, do not have to follow this poor deranged, polemista emotivo-aggressivo nonché specializzato a fare pericolosi taglia e cuci ed a mettere nelle altrui bocche quello che mai è stato affermato e proferito dalle persone da lui puntualmente attaccate con irriverenza, presumibilmentea quanto diceper espresse indicazioni a lui date dalla Beata Vergine Maria in persona.

  6. dear father Ariel
    vorrei domandarle perché si deve rispetto e obbedienza a un papa che ha creato e continua a seminare confusione nella chiesa?Thank you

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